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Mr. Chen Xu (China) (spoke in Chinese): The
Chinese delegation would like to thank Mr. Carl Bildt for
his briefing. Since assuming his functions as the Special
Envoy of the Secretary-General for the Balkans, Mr. Bildt
has done a great deal to promote the peace and stability of
the region. We would like to express our appreciation for
his efforts.
Over the years, the international community, including
the United Nations, has worked hard to resolve the
problems of the Balkans. The United Nations has carried
out several activities in the region, including peacekeeping
operations. Some of those were successful, and some have
not achieved results satisfactory to the international
community. Serious stock-taking of the experiences
acquired and the lessons learned in the Balkans can
therefore provide an important guide for future United
Nations work.
The Chinese delegation believes that the effective
realization of sustained peace and stability in the Balkans
requires strict adherence to the principles and purposes of
the United Nations Charter, in particular to the principles of
the peaceful settlement of disputes, non-interference in
internal affairs and respect for sovereignty and territorial
integrity. We also believe that the rights and interests of
ethnic minorities in the countries concerned should be
protected.
Sustained peace and development in the Balkans
depend on the political will of the countries of the region,
including the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and the
constructive efforts on the part of the international
community. The two complement each other, and neither is
dispensable. At present, the restoration of a secure
environment, the return of refugees and the economic
rehabilitation of the region are urgent tasks facing the
countries concerned and the international community. They
are also important prerequisites for sustained peace and
stability and common prosperity for all countries and ethnic
communities in the region.
The Balkan countries and the international community
have already made tremendous efforts in those areas, but
the tasks facing us remain formidable. We believe that the
international community should continue its support of the
efforts of the countries of the region to realize stability and
economic rehabilitation. In this regard, high priority should
be given to helping them to realize self-governance and
self-reliance by gradually reducing their dependency on
external assistance, for after all, the comprehensive
resolution of the problems of the Balkans ultimately lies
in the hands of the countries and the peoples of the region
themselves.
The Chinese Government and people have been
watching the situation in the Balkans with concern. We
support the efforts of regional countries and the United
Nations to realize peace and development in the region.
We are deeply concerned about the continuing
deterioration of the situation in Kosovo. We hope that the
international community will take measures to effectively
protect the safety and security of all ethnic communities
in Kosovo and to preserve peace and stability there.
In conclusion, we sincerely hope that the countries
and the peoples of the Balkans will proceed from the
fundamental interests of their respective peoples to deal
with their historical, ethnic, religious and territorial
problems in a common manner and to resolve their
disputes through consultation and negotiation. That is not
only in the fundamental interests of the peoples and
countries of the region, but it is also crucial to the peace
and stability of Europe and the world.
Mr. Vamos-Goldman (Canada): We too thank Mr.
Bildt for his briefing and agree very much that the
solution to the problems that plague the Balkans - such
as populations displaced by war, illegal migration,
organized crime, the proliferation of small arms and light
weapons, and violations of human rights - can be found
only in a broader regional context.
Given the interactive nature and focus of this debate,
we would like to restrict ourselves to one comment and
one question from the many issues that Mr. Bildt has
briefed the Council on.
The one comment regards the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia. In our view, the United Nations walks a
delicate line between the imperative to provide for
legitimate humanitarian needs and the need to ensure that
the Government, led by an indicted war criminal, is
isolated. We noted in Mr. Bildt's recent remarks in
Sarajevo that broad sanctions against the Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia have heightened corruption and criminality.
Canada believes that sanctions targeted against the regime
continue to have an important role in isolating the
Milosevic Government. In addition, if the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia wishes to benefit from regional
initiatives such as the Stability Pact, it must clearly
demonstrate its commitment to reform and to building a
secure, democratic society.
My question concerns Montenegro. We agree that we
need to encourage Montenegro to continue to pursue
prudently its process of democratic and economic reform.
Mr. Bildt mentioned the need for the international
community to provide financial assistance to Montenegro.
We would be interested in his ideas on how this can be
facilitated in regional initiatives such as the Stability Pact,
and how these can be used to further the gains already
made in the interests of broad regional prosperity and
stability.
Mr. Eldon (United Kingdom): I can be very brief.
First, I would like to thank Mr. Bildt for his briefing
this morning and for his extremely thoughtful and
perceptive analysis. I think the image of balancing
disintegration with integration, and ensuring that in the final
analysis those in favour of integration win out, is very
helpful to us all in this connection. It is also clear that, as
Mr. Bildt has said, the chances of success in the Balkans
will be substantially improved when all the key outside
players can work together.
It is similarly important that, as he has said too, we
should try and broaden the base of the dialogue with those
in the region to ensure that whatever long-term structure we
design will remain viable in the long term. Here, I think it
was useful that he highlighted the conundrum of how to
deal with the Government of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia.
This is clearly something to which there will be no
easy solution as long as those indicted for war crimes
remain in power, but - and here I would disagree with
what Ambassador Lavrov said this morning - the solution
to it is not to somehow lessen the weight of the institutions
and factors involved, particularly the International Criminal
Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. A crime against
humanity is, after all, a crime against humanity. None of us
should forget that and none of us should forget either that
the Tribunal is an impartial body, was set up with the
support of all members of the Security Council and must be
allowed to do its work.
Related to the issue of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia is, as Mr. Bildt has rightly reminded us,
Montenegro. The situation in Montenegro and the linkage
and interaction between the Serbian and Montenegran
Governments have been of concern to us, too. I would be
very interested to hear Mr. Bildt's assessment of where
Montenegro is going and what more the international
community as a whole can do to ensure that it does not
go bad.
Finally, as Ambassador Dejammet has
emphasized - and I would like to say that I agree with
nearly every word he said this morning - this is going
to require continuing support from the international
community on a long-term and sustained basis. We all
know the particular problems of Kosovo and, as many
speakers have said, we will have an opportunity to discuss
those next week. But I would like to say that, over the
weekend, the United Kingdom announced a doubling of
its contribution to the United Nations civilian police in
Kosovo. We hope that, in some small way, that will be an
important index of the willingness of us all to fill the very
glaring gap that exists in that area.
Mr. Andjaba (Namibia): Let me congratulate you,
Sir, and your delegation for organizing this meeting and
warmly acknowledge and thank the Special Envoy of the
Secretary-General, Mr. Carl Bildt, for his comprehensive
and useful briefing on the situation in the Balkans.
My delegation welcomes this opportunity to discuss
the overall situation in the Balkans, bearing in mind the
complexities of cultural, economic, social and political
problems facing the people of south-eastern Europe today.
We note with dissatisfaction that the general situation in
south-eastern Europe was by and large precipitated by the
political instability generated by the events leading up to
and following the break-up of the Socialist Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia. In the process, the war that
caused the break-up of the federation destroyed viable
commercial markets, severed transportation links and
created refugee problems unheard of in Europe since the
Second World War. The number of refugees and
displaced persons; the destruction of properties; the
broken families and senseless killings, also known as
ethnic cleansing, have become a telling story in the region
and elsewhere. However, the social history of the region
provides the context in which resolution of these
problems can be envisaged.
In this connection, we concur with the views of the
Secretary-General, the States members of the European
Union and, indeed, the rest of the international
community that a regional framework for the stability of
south-eastern Europe should have its foundation in the
United Nations Charter and relevant international treaties
and conventions.
The security situation in the Balkans, punctuated by
the latest events in the town of Mitrovica in Kosovo, begs
the international community to move expeditiously in
addressing the problems of these countries in a regional
framework, taking into account the cultural characteristics
and sensibilities of various communities. We express our
hope that the outbreak of violence in Mitrovica between the
Serbs and Albanians will not escalate further to jeopardize
the implementation of Security Council resolution 1244
(1999). My delegation looks forward to a proper briefing on
that situation.
We believe that, in order to resolve the situation in the
Balkans, a series of regional security conferences ought to
be instituted by the international community to provide a
comprehensive settlement plan which entails, among others,
the following elements:
First, the rights of refugees and displaced persons to
return to their homes and countries of origin with dignity
must be guaranteed and their properties restored. Secondly,
the Stability Pact should be reviewed and adjusted to
include the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Thirdly,
institutional capacity-building, training and socio-economic
programmes should be provided, which would ease the
entry of these countries into the larger economic market of
the European Union.
Whereas the international community provides the
people of the Balkans with the assistance needed to rebuild
social institutions and economic stability, it is equally
essential for the Balkan people to cooperate with the
international community in order to ease their integration
into the larger European economic system. In this regard,
my delegation commends the pledging conference held in
Sarajevo to generate sufficient resources for the region, as
well as the adoption of a common position for the
establishment of the Stability Pact.
Finally, we salute the Member States, the United
Nations agencies and other international organizations
currently participating in one form or another in
maintaining peace and stability in the Balkans.
Miss Durrant (Jamaica): Like previous speakers, I
wish to thank Mr. Bildt for his briefing on the situation in
the Balkans. We have appreciated his frank assessment of
what needs to be done by the international community and
by the countries concerned if the self-sustaining stability to
which Mr. Bildt referred is to be achieved. We appreciate
the fact that his position as Special Envoy of the Secretary-
General on the Balkans has provided him with a very
useful vantage point from which to see the problems of
each country as part of a larger mosaic and points to the
need to have a comprehensive settlement which must
encompass the region as a whole.
As Mr. Bildt pointed out, the Balkan region
preoccupied the international community for most of the
decade of the 1990s and, while there is reason for
optimism in some cases, we recognize that there is still
much to be done. The recent outbreaks of violence in
Kosovo indicate that there is still a long way to go and
we are concerned that incidents such as those in
Mitrovica will further set back the fragile peace process.
We agree that there is still a critical role for the
United Nations in peace-building in the Balkans. We see
that the entrenchment of peace and security is an essential
prerequisite for the development of the region, including
the full integration of refugees and internally displaced
persons into the societies.
Peaceful coexistence and the building of a multi-
ethnic society are critical to the long-term development of
the Balkans, and we must emphasize that there cannot be
discrimination on the basis of religion, nationality or
ethnicity, because as long as these persist there will be no
real progress. We therefore strongly condemn any ethnic
or other violence based on any discrimination, and in this
regard we emphasize the importance that we attach to the
work of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former
Yugoslavia.
My delegation believes that there are several areas
in which the United Nations must continue to work if it
is to assist in peace-building, reconstruction and
development efforts. These include administrative reform;
the maintenance of law and order, including the
establishment of effective and efficient judicial and law-
enforcement systems; the safe return of refugees and
internally displaced persons to their places of origin; the
combating of corruption; and the overall strengthening of
civil society.
The strengthening of local institutions and the
building of capacity are also integral components of
peace-building efforts. These efforts cannot by themselves
bring about the desired results, and we see the ultimate
success of the United Nations peace-building efforts in
the Balkans and the region as a whole depending on a
number of factors, including the strong political will of
the leaders, regional cooperation and the commitment of
the international community to assist the process.
The regional framework for cooperation, as
exemplified in the Stability Pact for South-Eastern Europe,
demonstrates the need for coordination between various
initiatives in the region, and we hope that these will provide
an incentive for the rebuilding of the Balkans and facilitate
the region's integration into the wider community.
We agree with Mr. Bildt that there will have to be
dialogue on which a consensus can be based. As he said,
any lasting agreement must meet the minimum demands of
all and the maximum demands of none. I therefore wish to
congratulate Mr. Bildt for his efforts to promote peace and
security in the region and wish him continued success.
Mr. Kasse (Mali) (spoke in French): I too should like
to thank the Special Envoy of the Secretary-General for the
Balkans, Mr. Carl Bildt, for his very instructive briefing.
The situation in the Balkans is complex, and stability is far
from being a reality in that region, as the recent events in
Mitrovica have made clear.
Nevertheless, we believe that there are grounds for
optimism, because the time is ripe for discussion aimed at
finding a definitive and comprehensive solution to the long-
lasting conflict in the Balkans. We support the efforts made
by Mr. Bildt, and we are firmly convinced that national
reconciliation, reconstruction, solidarity, security and a
regional approach, inter alia, remain the pillars of any
comprehensive solution to the conflicts in the Balkans.
The Security Council must render its full support to
the search for a regional solution that would safeguard all
of the negotiations under way. We wish Mr. Bildt every
success in his mission.
Mr. Ben Mustapha (Tunisia) (spoke in French): I
should like at the outset to thank Mr. Bildt, the Special
Envoy of the Secretary-General for the Balkans, for his
candid and exhaustive statement on the situation in the
region. I believe that the approach he advocated in his
statement to finding a solution to the crisis in the Balkans
is based on an in-depth knowledge of the situation in the
region and is marked by its comprehensive nature.
My country has followed closely the developments in
the Balkans and welcomes the efforts of all of the parties
that are actively working to establishment peace, security
and stability in that region. We would like in particular to
encourage all the peace missions in the Balkans which are
achieving positive results despite the very difficult
conditions.
The question of refugees and displaced persons is at
the heart of the Balkan issue and enables the international
community to assess the development of the situation. We
wish to express our concern as to the fate of the refugees
and displaced persons, and we appeal to all of the parties
to promote their return and to find a solution to this
important issue. In this connection, we welcome the
commendable efforts of all of the humanitarian agencies,
in particular those of the Office of the United Nations
High Commissioner for Refugees.
My delegation believes that the Stability Pact for
South-Eastern Europe proposed by the European Union
represents an opportunity for the Balkan region to
promote peace and security. It is a suitable framework
which should be implemented rapidly in order to be
translated into reality through the promotion of political
and economic reforms, development and the strengthening
of security in the region.
I believe also that the inclusion of the region in a
wider area will promote integration by marginalizing all
types of extremist forces.
We would like also to pay tribute to the Charter of
good-neighbourliness, stability, security and cooperation
adopted at Bucharest at the Third Meeting of Heads of
State and Government of South-East European Countries.
This opens a new chapter in the history of the region and
attests to the commitment of the parties to respond
positively to the efforts of the international community to
restore confidence in the future of the region.
Mr. Hamer (Netherlands): I should like to thank
Mr. Bildt for his briefing and for his thoughtful analysis
of the problems of the Balkans. One of the conclusions to
be drawn from his analysis is that the international
community cannot hope to achieve its goal of self-
sustaining stability for the Balkans while the Milosevic
regime remains in power in Belgrade, not just because
Mr. Milosevic and his clique are under indictment from
the International Criminal Tribunal for the former
Yugoslavia, but at least as much because they continue to
be the principal representatives of the tendency towards
violent disintegration to which Mr. Bildt referred.
They have been the main protagonists of that
tendency towards violent disintegration ever since 25 June
1991, and they remain so to this day in Kosovo and in
Montenegro. The only way out of this conundrum is for
the people of Serbia to put a stop to Mr. Milosevic and
his fellow disintegrationists, to follow the example of the
other republics of the former Yugoslavia in electing a
democratic government, and to cast their lot with the other
peoples of the Balkans in a new vision of regional
cooperation and integration.
The Stability Pact provides the most viable framework
for a comprehensive approach to restructuring the region.
An issue requiring priority attention of the parties to the
Pact continues to be that of the voluntary return of refugees
and internally displaced persons. Cooperation on the
voluntary return of refugees and internally displaced
persons is as essential to self-sustaining stability as the big
infrastructural projects currently under discussion. We hope
that this issue will be included in the quick-start package to
be discussed at the regional funding conference next month.
Mr. Holbrooke (United States of America) It is a
great honour to be here again, and I apologize for having
missed so much of today's meeting, but like you, Mr.
President, I was equally preoccupied today with our
concurrent meeting in the Economic and Social Council
with Dr. Piot and the discussion on AIDS and Africa,
which I think was a very important step forward in the
close cooperation of all of us in dealing with the AIDS in
Africa problem. I am particularly sorry I missed the
comments of my good friend the Special Envoy of the
Secretary-General, but since I spent a good deal of time
with him this morning, I have a very good idea of his
position, as well as through the report I got from my
colleagues.
My main purpose in joining the Council today is to
speak personally about Carl Bildt for a moment, because
according to his own book, I was the reason he ended up
where he is today, by offering him the job to begin with, in
a secret interview in Washington, which at the time he did
not realize was a job interview. So I have come here today
both to apologize to him and to praise him. We have been
friends and very close colleagues since 1994, since that first
meeting that he has described rather amusingly in his own
memoirs, and as a co-Chairman of the Dayton peace
conference, he was my closest colleague at moments of
very high drama. I am delighted that the Secretary-General
has given him this important assignment, and I want to
state publicly that our Government listens to everything
Carl Bildt says with the greatest attention, not simply
because he represents the Secretary-General, but because of
his extensive experience and authority in regard to these
issues.
I think that Carl Bildt's report to us today should
encourage us somewhat in regard to Bosnia and focus us on
where we need to go to move forward. It is, in my view,
a simple question of two things: leadership by the
international community - and in Bosnia and Kosovo
this is slightly different structurally, but the same nations
are involved in both, although under different structures;
and secondly, the underlying problem that plagues all of
the Balkans to this day, and has since 1991, and that is
the goals and designs of the leadership in Belgrade.
In regard to the first, it is a question of resources,
leadership and will, and all too often we have institutional
rivalries and public criticism between the North Atlantic
Treaty Organization and the United Nations, or between
the United States and the European Union, or between
individuals, when the fact is that we all have the same
objective and we are all pulling for the same goal. Some
of this criticism is not surprising, and it does not trouble
me very much, but I do think we have to remember that
we are all on the same team, trying for the same
objective, which in Bosnia is to make the Dayton Peace
Agreement work.
In regard to Bosnia, I am encouraged by some of
what Carl Bildt has reported, and I think we should take
very carefully his comments on refugee returns to
minority areas and strengthening the joint institutions. The
High Representative's office in Bosnia is critical to
success. It has been filled now by three outstanding
representatives of the European Union, Carl Bildt himself,
Carlos Westendorp, and now Wolfgang Petritsch. We
must support them.
In regard to the region, I share entirely Carl Bildt's
view that the newly elected Government of President
Mesic' and Prime Minister Racan is a major step forward,
and I believe that the number-one test of that Government
in regard to the region will come in Mostar. I believe that
what happens in Mostar will be determining for the future
of Bosnia. It is the most broken city in Europe at this
moment - Mitrovica is the most dangerous, Mostar is
the most broken. In Mostar, I think Zagreb holds the key,
and I call on our friends from Croatia to help fix the
broken city of Mostar.
As Carl has so accurately noted, we remain
handicapped by the actions of the regime in Belgrade, and
we also remain handicapped by the fact that a number of
indicted war criminals are still at large. I believe that the
war crimes tribunal and others should reinvigorate their
efforts to bring indicted war criminals to justice. I am not
going to talk at length about Kosovo today, because I
know that we have a very important meeting scheduled
for that subject next week, when General Reinhardt and Mr.
Kouchner will address us, but I do want to welcome very
strongly the announcement of the United Kingdom over the
weekend that it will double its contribution to the civil
police in Kosovo. This is an extremely important action and
one that I think will help the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo and the Kosovo force
achieve their goals. So while reserving further comments on
Kosovo for next week's important meeting, I want to
commend you, Mr. President, for holding this meeting
today, and commend Carl Bildt for his report. I encourage
him to continue to be the eyes and ears of the Secretary-
General and to keep us in the Security Council, and through
us the international community, apprised of his views of
what we can do in order to achieve our goal in Bosnia,
which is to implement the Dayton Peace Agreement; and in
Kosovo, where our goal is more elusive and more difficult
to reach, but with his help and assistance I am confident we
will be able to move in that direction.
The President (spoke in Spanish): I shall now make
a statement in my capacity as representative of the
Argentine Republic.
I would like first of all to thank Mr. Carl Bildt for the
views he has shared with us and his very precise and
detailed report, which are very valuable because of his
experience in the Balkans.
We believe that a long-term strategy designed to bring
about peace and stability in the Balkans depends on a
whole set of factors ranging from the implementation of
political, social and economic reforms to reconciliation
among the countries of the region, as well as reconciliation
among the people within countries. There is therefore an
internal as well as an international dimension, and
sometimes there is also a historical background that dates
back centuries. As Mr. Bildt reminded us, the first decade
of the twentieth century, like the last, was a time of great
convulsions in the Balkans, and that was where the incident
that set off the First World War took place. The agents of
disintegration in the region can be overcome only when all
the participants - the population and the leadership -
realize the need for coexistence in a framework of
pluralism. This is the basis for a democratic society based
on rule of law, without which we have only a society
dominated by fear, violence and intolerance.
In this context, it seems particularly important to us
that we respond appropriately to the plight of refugees and
internally displaced persons. This is necessarily a long-term
process, and the assistance of the international community,
particularly from this Organization, will be required to
prevent further confrontations and to create the necessary
conditions for the establishment of international peace and
security in that region.
I now resume my functions as President.
I call on Mr. Bildt so that he may respond to the
questions and comments that have been addressed to him.
Mr. Bildt: I have been listening with keen interest
to the comments of members, and I will try to answer all
or most of the questions that have been put. I note with
deep satisfaction that there is widespread support for the
ambitions and the efforts that are under way to set up
structures of self-sustaining stability in the region, but
also an understanding that we are not there yet, to put it
very mildly - that there are major challenges ahead and
that this is going to be a difficult time.
A number of speakers referred to the situation in
Kosovo. I am not going to go into the details of that; the
Special Representative of the Secretary-General, Mr.
Bernard Kouchner, and General Reinhardt will be here
next week, and, as Ambassador Holbrooke said, the
Council will have an important meeting on the details of
Kosovo. But I would just like to reinforce what I said:
that Kosovo is a difficult but small place within a region
that is unstable. The task that has been given to the
United Nations in running Kosovo de facto is complicated
not only by the fact that there is no peace agreement but
also by the instabilities in the region, notably - as
referred to by several speakers - the situation in the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and in Serbia.
The representative of the Russian Federation raised
a number of issues that had to do with the wider approach
in the region: the coordination of the different attempts
under way, as well as the way in which we deal with the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and with Serbia. Let me
say, as I think I indicated at the beginning, that the
regional approach to the issues is one that has been there
with the United Nations system from the very beginning,
especially coming out of the fact that the United Nations
system was called upon early in the 1990s to deal with
the humanitarian consequences of these different wars.
And they are indeed regional by nature: there is no way
in which you can deal with these issues taking them piece
by piece; you need to deal with the region. So we have
been advocating a regional approach from the very start.
The launch last summer of the Stability Pact, an
initiative of the European Union and supported by the other
major Powers, was a recognition by the international
community of the fact that you cannot deal with the
countries in isolation; you have to deal with the entire
region. I have been trying to facilitate the support of the
United Nations system for the efforts of the Stability Pact.
We are now heading towards a couple of important
meetings; I think it was the representative of the
Netherlands who referred to the funding conference that is
coming up at the end of March.
But let me say, concerning the Stability Pact - and
these are words that I know are very much supported by its
Special Coordinator, Mr. Bodo Hombach, who is
responsible for it - that the Pact is a two-way process. It
takes two to tango. It is not a funding mechanism for
projects in the countries of the region. It is also an
undertaking and a commitment by the countries of the
region that they themselves will take initiatives to start to
cooperate. For the one to work requires that the other work
as well; that is essential.
Let me also stress that it is not primarily a question of
the reconstruction of the region after the devastating wars
there. I normally refer, as I did in my presentation today, to
the three Rs that I consider essential. The first is reform;
these countries all, to a greater or a lesser degree, need
substantial economic and political reform. The second is
reconciliation, that very, very difficult concept and that
very, very difficult word that is absolutely essential for
moving forward after war. And the third is reintegration;
that is necessary not only for political reasons, but also for
plain economic reasons: there is no way in which we can
ever revive the economies of these countries if we do not
allow the trade flows and the commercial contacts and the
integration to be there.
So there is a need for reform; there is a need for
reconciliation; and there is a need for reintegration. That is
part of the approach of the Stability Pact.
That being said, I am convinced that when we move
forward towards a political settlement for the region there
is a need to do something that goes beyond what is at
present on the table. There is a need for a structure that, in
its scope, in its firmness and in its perspective to the future,
goes beyond what we have had on the table so far.
Concerning the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and
Serbia, I think it was the representative of Canada who said
that the United Nations was walking a delicate line. That
was the understatement of the day, I guess. It is a very
complex problem. On the one hand, we have a concern
for the ordinary human beings; we want to help people in
need. And there are quite a number of people who are in
a rather desperate situation in Serbia. I think it was the
representative of the Russian Federation who referred to
the fact that this might well be the largest refugee
community that we have in Europe; and they are in a
country which might well be the poorest country in
Europe by now, after not only the consequences of war
but also the total absence of any sort of reform process
have brought that country down so desperately.
So the Office of the United Nations High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and other agencies
are keen to help. But we are there to help the people, not
to fund the regime. That distinction is important, and it
also requires vigilance on our part, because the structures
of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and of Serbia are
to some extent deliberately corrupt. I say "deliberately
corrupt" because there is a risk of them setting up
structures which are really meant to fund the regime
rather than to help the people. We must, of course, be on
our guard there, not only for political reasons but also for
the simple reason that we want our money to reach the
ordinary people and not be a funding mechanism for a
regime that has difficulties funding itself in other ways.
I do not think there is any solution to the political or
economic problems of the region without Yugoslavia and
without Serbia. We want Serbia, and we want Yugoslavia,
as part of this. But we can only regret the fact that
Yugoslavia has excluded itself to a very large extent, first,
by retaining among its leaders those who have been
indicted by the International Tribunal for crimes against
humanity - and it has been our policy in the past, and I
think it must remain our policy in the future, not to have
any dealings with such personalities. And it has also made
life somewhat more difficult for itself by not undertaking
the reforms that are necessary in order to have a
functioning democratic life and a functioning economy.
This is a dilemma for the international community, but it
is a major problem for Serbia and a major problem for
the region.
The situation in Montenegro was alluded to by
several representatives. Let me just state that I am very
concerned about the situation as it is developing. Ibelieve
it is moving in the wrong direction marginally faster than
I would have anticipated a couple of weeks ago. The
reason is the moves we see on the ground by Milosevic
in terms of building up forces and building up capabilities
for direct intervention. There is no doubt whatsoever in my
mind that he is actively creating the preconditions for
exercising that option. We have seen him creating special
so-called military police units that are obviously recruited
on the basis of political loyalty and that are now deployed
at critical points throughout Montenegro. We have seen him
setting up a special and separate television network in
Montenegro, installed by military forces on military
installations in order to be the propaganda arm of any overt
intervention.
These are moves that are in no way compatible with
the federal constitution of Yugoslavia. They serve to
aggravate a situation between Serbia and Montenegro to
which it should be in the interest of all friends of
Yugoslavia to try to seek a solution. These are not only
concerns in terms of the stability of the region, but also, in
my view, a threat to the survival of the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia.
I was asked what can be done to provide help and
support. Obviously one thing that can be done is to
highlight what is happening and highlight the concerns of
the international community, because these actions do have
regional implications. Another is of course to be willing
and able to extend financial help to the authorities of
Montenegro, who are, as I pointed out, subject to sort of
double sanctions, in a way that is unfortunate.
I know that efforts are under way by the European
Union, by the United States of America and others. There
is a need to do more. The United Nations system - the
Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for
Refugees, the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian
Affairs - is very active in terms of providing humanitarian
assistance to all those who are in need of it in Montenegro.
And due to the political and other circumstances, that is
quite a number of people.
Several of the speakers - the representatives of
Malaysia, Tunisia, Namibia, the Netherlands - have
highlighted the issue of the return of refugees. I cannot
stress too strongly how important this is, in my opinion -
and not only for the obvious humanitarian reason, but also,
I would say, in terms of the future political stability of the
region.
It is not entirely certain that everyone who has been
expelled or driven away wants to return to the places where
these horrible events happened. But if we refuse people the
right to return, we create a difficult situation for the future.
People who are refused the right to return become a
reservoir of revenge in the future in the region. This is
detrimental to the region's political stability.
In this regard, within the framework of the Stability
Pact, the Humanitarian Issues Working Group - which
has been in operation since the early 1990s, under the
leadership of Mrs. Ogata - is continuing its work. We
are discussing with the Stability Pact different ways of
further integrating this Working Group's efforts into the
work of economic aid and conditionality and so forth.
Finally, some words about Bosnia, which brings me
to Ambassador Holbrooke and his kind words, starting
with Georgetown, which might be somewhat outside the
scope of the Security Council. I think both he and myself
have a particular emotional attachment to that country and
what he managed to achieve in 1995. I was fortunate
enough to play a small role in that particular process. I
think it is worth stressing that, although that is a very
ambitious peace agreement, there are major problems in
Bosnia. We are making progress. It is of course slower
than some of us would like, but there is progress.
I would have liked to see a greater sense of
responsibility shown by the leaders of Bosnia itself. I was
particularly disappointed when the House of
Representatives of Bosnia and Herzegovina a couple of
weeks ago refused even to consider the draft for election
laws that are necessary in order to build a functioning
common State and common society. But that
notwithstanding, progress is being made. And I would
very much like to support the comments by Ambassador
Holbrooke on Mostar, on the role that can be played by
the new political leadership in Croatia in order to
overcome that particularly difficult aspect of the problems
in Bosnia. If we can make progress on this issue, I think
we can further progress on all of the other Bosnian issues.
That brings me finally to what might be one of my
key points for my presentation: that while we did achieve,
in 1995, in Bosnia, a peace agreement that set the rules
for the internal structure of Bosnia after the war, as well
as the external position of Bosnia in the region, we do not
have that in the case of Kosovo. This makes the situation
of the United Nations Interim Administration Mission in
Kosovo and the task particularly difficult. It makes it
particularly difficult to move forward with a regional
agenda for seeking self-sustaining structures of stability.
We must be ready to start to consider within the
framework of this Council how we can move forward
with the political agenda leading to a peace settlement for
Kosovo, while remaining aware of the fact that as long as
we have the situation in Belgrade, such progress is going to
be virtually impossible. But that should not stop our efforts.
Then, perhaps we can continue with the work that was
started in the early part of the 1990s, in which several of us
around the table were active. There is a need to recognize
that we have done a number of things, but there is also a
long ways to go until we can say that we have self-
sustaining stability in this war-torn part of Europe.
The President (spoke in Spanish): I thank Mr. Bildt
for his clarifications and for the replies he has provided to
the questions that were put to him during the debate.
I would like to welcome the Secretary-General, who
has joined our meeting.
Mr. Lavrov (Russian Federation) (spoke in Russian):
I apologize for asking for the floor once again, but I wanted
to comment on the reply that Mr. Bildt gave to some of my
questions, inter alia, with respect to his assessment of the
prospects for interaction with the Government of the
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
As Council members may recall, I asked whether the
Security Council resolutions could possibly be
implemented, whether a regional and comprehensive
approach to the Balkans could possibly be ensured if we
deliberately isolate the Government of the Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia. To be frank, I did not hear any reply to that
question. I heard a confirmation of the fact that it is
impossible to interact with Milosevic' s Government because
that Government is headed by individuals who have been
indicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the
Former Yugoslavia.
I already had an opportunity to state that in our view
the activities of the Tribunal have been politicized to a
certain extent. If, for example, the Tribunal were to indict
someone else in the region, or in other countries, or if it
should indict one of the leaders of the opposition in the
Yugoslavia - and there have been hints in the mass media
that such things were possible - how would we then react?
Would we all then be hostages to the decisions of the
Tribunal? That would most likely be a very simple solution.
But at the same time, it is too simplistic. Life is always
more complicated and does not allow everything to be
foisted upon one individual or one regime.
Mr. Bildt said that President Milosevic is preparing to
take certain actions against Montenegro, and we have also
heard just recently that it was precisely President
Milosevic who provoked the unrest that occurred in
Mitrovica, in Kosovo. But no one is denying that those
incidents, which are continuing, are the fault of extremists
and were provoked by former members of the Kosovo
Liberation Army - which, even though it has ceased to
exist on paper, has given birth to certain new groups with
new names, groups that are making incursions into other
regions of Serbia from Kosovo, and so forth.
If we are speaking openly here, and openly
criticizing the Belgrade regime, then it would probably be
fair to also fairly assess the neighbouring countries. This
is because there continues to be an illegal inflow of arms
and drugs across the border, first and foremost into
Kosovo, as the mass media sometimes remind us. But we
should not forget about this in the Security Council when
we are trying to follow and integrated, regional approach
to the problems of the region. That integrated, regional
approach requires that we speak the truth about
everything that is happening there. If we take the position
of blaming only one regime for everything, then the entire
integrated approach becomes hostage to such an analysis.
But let me repeat what I said earlier today. If the
voters confirm the current leadership in the elections in
Serbia and Yugoslavia, then what are we going to do?
Are we then going to recommend a violent overthrow of
the regime? Or are we going to say that we have to wait
another four years before we involve Yugoslavia in an
effort to find an integrated, regional solution?
Let me conclude with what I began with this
morning: Yugoslavia is a full-fledged member of the
Dayton process. It is a full-fledged participant in the
agreements set out in resolution 1244 (1999). Yugoslavia
is a full-fledged participant in the settlement principles
with respect to Prevlaka adopted by the Security Council.
Implementing those resolutions without Yugoslavia is
impossible. I would call upon all of us to predicate our
positions on the fact that those decisions must be
implemented. Implementing them through the isolation of
a Government that is legally in power is impossible.
The President (spoke in Spanish): I call on the
Secretary-General.
The Secretary-General: Let me first of all
apologize for joining the Council late, but this was my
first day back and I had to tackle some urgent issues. But
I wanted to come to this meeting, to hear Mr. Bildt and
to participate in the briefing.
Let me say that what you have heard today from Mr.
Bildt is going to be one in a series of discussions and
briefings on the region. You heard from Mr. Bildt today,
and you will be hearing next from Mr. Klein, who is my
representative in Bosnia, and then you will hear from
Special Representative Bernard Kouchner and General
Reinhardt, who will be coming from Kosovo.
I think it is important that we discuss the region as
well as Kosovo because we are operating in a very difficult
neighbourhood. Without understanding what is happening
in the neighbourhood, we will find it extremely difficult to
make progress. I will follow these briefings up in April
with a comprehensive report that will touch on what is
happening in the region and on our operations in Kosovo,
so that we can move forward and take decisions with a
broader picture in mind.
I think Ambassador Lavrov is right in raising the
question he has raised, but I do not think it is Mr. Bildt
who should answer the question. I think some of these
issues will be raised when I submit the report in April. I
think the question that has been raised has lots of impact
on our activities, on elections and on other things. If we
are going to go ahead with elections, and if we want to
register the Serbs and have them participate, can we go to
register them in Serbia without reference to Belgrade?
There are all sorts of issues involved, and they will be
raised. I do not think it is for Mr. Bildt to answer.
So I would ask the Russian Ambassador to be
patient. These questions are being discussed, and we will
come back to them. I think Mr. Bildt focused on regional
issues today, not wanting to usurp the role of Mr.
Kouchner, from whom the Council will hear. I think some
of these issues should be reserved for him. So if
Ambassador Lavrov will be patient, we will get back to
the issues he has raised.
The President (spoke in Spanish): There are no
further speakers inscribed on my list. The Security
Council has thus concluded the present stage of its
consideration of the item on its agenda.
The meeting rose at 5.45 pm.
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