S/PV.753 Security Council

The first item is the adoption of the provisional agenda of the meeting. 2. MI'. SOBOLEV (Union of Soviet Socialist RepubEcs) (translc.ieJ from Russian): 1 maintain the objections which 1 raised at the 746th meeting. 3. The PRESIDENT (translated from French) : The objections of the representative of the Soviet Union are noted. de 2. 3. du Letter dated 27 October 1956 from the represen- tatives of France, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern heland and the linited States of America to the President of the Security CounciI concerning the situation in Hungary (S/3690) Lettre,

In accordance with the decision taken by the Security Couneil at its 746th meeting, 1 invite the representat1ve of Hungary to take a place at the Couneil table. Mr. Szabo, representati·ue of Hungary, took a place at the Council table. 5. The PRESIDENT (translated from French) : The Council has before it the Secretary-General's report concerning the credentials of the representative of Hungary to the Security Council [S/3729]. According to the report, MI'. Szabo's credentials are in order. 6. MI'. LODGE (United States of America): We meet again today to consider continued reports of Soviet interference in the internaI affairs of Hungary. 4. .9~ . On 29 Octoher the fighting diminished but the Soviet troops remained in Budapest. There were, however. reports of the actua1 withdrawal of Soviet trocps from the city. 10. On 30 October shooting and fighting again broke out in Budapest. Despite earlier reported agreement on their departure, the Soviet troops had not withdrawn. The Nagy Govemment announced on the same date the abolition of the Communist one-party system. A "little cabinet", 50 called, was formed, represcnting severa! political parties. Shortiyafter that. Radio Budapest announced that it had changed management and that in future "it would broadcast only the truth" whereas in the past the radio had "lied day and night" ori "all wav.; lengths". Throughout the day the withdrawal of Soviet troops was again the essential point of the demands published in Hungary. 11. 01131 Octoher, the Soviet withdrawal from Budapest seemed at last to he under way. Prime Minister Nagy called for abrogation of the Warsaw Pact and once again categorically demanded that Soviet troops withdraw. In the provinces, several groups, which had joined to form a "Trans-Danubian National Council", with its centre in the town of Gyar in north-west Hungary, formulated a comprehensive lists of dema'nds including free e1ections, a neutrality proclamation, democratic freedom and reliable guarantees with regard to the withdrawal of Sovitt troops from Hungary. The Hungarian armed forces themselves were takpt! over by new leaders, who voict.1 similar demands. 12. On 1 November, while Soviet units seemed to he quitting Budapest, there were reports, since confirmed by the Hungarian Govemment, of a renewed influx of Soviet troops into Hungary. Prime Minister Nagy protested to the Soviet Ambassador against the new Soviet troop movements. At the same time he notified the Soviet Union of Hungary's repudiation of the Warsaw Pact and of its future status of neutrality. He also telegraphed those declaratioDs to the Secretary- 13. .dt the close of our meeting last night the Secre·· t3.riat circulated a second communication from the Government of Hungary. One paragraph of that communication is of special re1evance to us: "On 2 November further and exact information, mainly military reports, reached the Government of the Hungarian People's RepubJ;c, accordi1l1g to which large Soviet military units crossed the border of the country, marching towards Budapest. They occupy railway lines, railway stations and railway safety equipmellt. Reports also have come about that So~et military movements of east-west direction are bemg observed on the territory of Western Hungary." [S/3726.] 14. It seems to me appropriate, therefore, that 1 should ask sorne questions. 1 should like first to address a question to Mr. Szabo, and then a question to the representative of the Soviet Union. 15. First, cau Mr. Szabo give us further details conceming the events reported in the communication vre received from his Govemment last night? If he does not have current information, 1 should like ta renew the request 1 made last evening that the Secretary- General should get in direct touch with the Hungarian Government in order that this Cour."H m30y know the facts. 16. Secondly, la&t night Mr. Sobolev told us categorically that no new Soviet troops had entered Hungary. Meantime, we received the second communication from the Government of Hungary, not only confirming the earlier report of the entry of new Soviet forces into Hungary, but also describing further arrivaIs of Soviet forces. 1 must also note that a convoy of American citizens seeking to leave Hungary yesterday was turned back by Soviet forces just short of the Austro- Hungarian border. The United States immediately protested against this action. 1 have just leamed that the saIne convoy has been stopped a second time. These 18. 1 note that the most recent reports indicate that at this very moment a Mixed Hungarian-Soviet Commission is presumably negotiating in Budapest wi1h regard to the withdrawal of Soviet forces. 1 think an up-to-date report from Mr. Sobolev and the representative of Hungary on these developments would aIso be welcome-that is, on the success that the Mixed Hungarian-Soviet Commission is having concerning the withdrawal of Soviet forces. 19. Now let me tum te the action wlùch the United States believes is proper in the light of present deve1- opments in Hungary. The United States lldS 5ubmitted a. draft resolution [Sj3730] with three main e1ements, aU of which are designed to ensure that the Hungarian people shall have an opportunity to determine their own destiny without interlerence from outside. 20. In paragraphs 1 and 2 of the operative part the Sovip~ Union is urged to stop intervening, and in partir ..dar with armed forces, in the internat affairs of :fungary and to make appropriate arrangements with the Hungarian Govemment for the withdrawal of aU Soviet forces from Hungary without delay. The Soviet announcement of 30 October, which the Soviet representative cited as the policy of bis Government last night [752nd meeting], should provide a basis for dealing with this problem. Nothing wOltld he more welcome-Iet me say this with sincerity-than action by the Soviet Union on its own initiative to back up this announcement with deeds. 21. Furthermore, th~ draft resolution requests the Secretary-General, in consultation with the heads of appropriate specialized agencies, to investigate, as a matter of urgency, the need of the Hungarian people for food and medicine and other similar supplies and to report to the Security Couneil as soon as possible. In this connexion, Members of the United Nations as well as national and international humanitarian organizations are asked to co-operate in making supplies available to the Hungarian people. The United States has already offered assistance, and the American Red Cross has sent medical supplies. I announced here last night that President Eisenhower had said that $20 million was being made available by the United States for relief supplies for the Hungarian people. 22. The draft resolution before the Council is a serious proposaI by the Un:ted Stat~s: which we helieve will advance the true interests of the Hungadal1 people and promote the cause of ir.ternational peace with justice.

l have a proposal to make, but before doing so, I should like to put a question to the representative of Hungary. It is aimost identicaI with the question put forward a little earlier

The United States and Yugoslav representatives have put two questions to the representative of Hungary. Not counting the Yugoslav representative, 1 have three speakers on my list: the representatives of the United Kingdom, Belgium and Australia. If they have no O'Jjection ta the Hungariah representative's replying to these questions-and if the Hungarian representatlve h!mself is ready ta reply-I shaH calI on him first. But before 1 can do so 1 must obtain the consent of the three speakers on the list. 25. As regards the question addressed to the USSR representative, as he is himself a. member of the Couneil, it is for him ta decide whether he wishes to reply, and if sa, when. 26. Sir Pierson DIXON (United Kingdom) : 1 have certain information which 1 should .like to give the Couneil, and which 1 think it might he useft<l for my colleagues to have. 1 i:hink it might therefore be for the convenience of my colleagues if l were to communicate to them the information at my disposaI at an early ~noment. 1 3hould therefore prefer to keep my place on the speaker's lis,t. 27. Mr. VAN LANGENHOv'E (Belgium) (translated from French) : 1 have sorne questions to put to the Hungarian representative; if he 'speaks after me, he could answer all the questions together.

1 myse1f wish, of course, to address the Council this afternoon. This matter has been raised in the Australian Parliament and 1 have cert.ain things that 1 wish to say. But 1 should be quite happy to hear the representative of Hungary reply to questions that will have been raised before 1 speak, provided it is understood that my position on the !ist of speakers is then immediately after him. 29. The PRF'3IDENT (translated from French): The United Kingdom and Belgian r~presentatives prefe~ to speak when their turn cornes. 1 shall now ask the Yugoslav representative whether he prefers ta speak now or to wait until the Hungarian representative has replied to the questions put ta him. 30. Mr. BRILEJ (Yugoslavia): May 1 speak now?

Yeso 32. Mr. BRILEJ (Yugoslavia): Towards the close of our meeting yesterday evening, a letter from the President of the <Council of Ministers and Acting Foreign Minister of the Hungarian People's Republic [S/3726] was circulated. This letter, dated 2 November 1956, related to recent developments in Hungary and stressed the need for negotiations ibetween Hungary and the USSR with regard to the matter referred to in that letter. 33. According ta agency rep9rts, negotiations started this morning in Budapest. 1 have received information to the same effect from my Government. If the repre- 5 34. In these circumstances, our obvious dutY would be to refrain from doing anything ".hat might impede the negotiations, the importance of Nhich hardly needs to be emphasized. 35. Therefore, on the condition that 1he representative of Hungary can confirm this news about the r..egotiations, 1 propose that tbis meeting should be adjourned. Meanwhile, the United Nations can turn its attention from an area where negotiations for a peaceful settlement are in progress to another area woere the possibility of a. peaceful settlement through negotiations has been rejected; in other words, from an area where people are negotiating, to an area where people are fighting.

Having on two rect;nt occasions made it abundantly clear that my Govern.."11ent hopes that the Uni·..:d Nations will be ahle to help the Hungarian pp • achieve their natural aspirations, 1 do not WlSil cO make a long statement today, but 1 think that it may he of help to the Council to hear the reports about the situation in Hungary which have reach:::d me through my Government since last night. 37. Like the representative of Yugoslavia, 1 have also just received sorne information about the position in regard to the Hungarkn Government itself. The information which has just reached me is that the formation of a new Government has just been announced. It seems that Mr. Nagy remains Prime Minister and will also act as Foreign Minister; that there will also be several other members of the Hungarian Communist Partythat is, of the Socialist W orkers Party-in the Government. In addition, according to our information, there will De representatives, in the Government, of three non-Communist political parties-the Social Democratie Party, the SmaUholders Party and the Peasant Plirty, the last of \vhich has. now been renamed the Petofi Party. That is the information which reached me only a few moments ago concerning the developments to which the representative of Yugoslavia referred. 38. As to information on the situation in the country itself, this is the news that has reached us since yesterday evening. Of course, 1 cannot say what the s.ituation at this moment may he, but this is information which relates to the last twelve hours. In the first place, aU roads out of Hungary to the west have been sealed by Soviet troops, who have orders to allow no one to leave Hungary. Anyone attempting to leave the country is being held by the Soviet troops. In the north-east of the country a Soviet force is reported to have occupied the railway station of Nyiregyhaza and is holding the . railway line from there to the Soviet frontier. A Soviet forœ is holding the Vienna road west of Gyor and is moving west towards the frontier. There are reports of Soviet bombers flying towards the south, where at least two airfields are in Soviet hands, one at Kecskemét and one at Szeged on the Yugoslav border. The city of Budapest itse1f is, according to our information, quiet u"~ent consid~ration to steps designed to haIt what appears to te continuing Soviet interference in the internaI affairs of Hungary. 41. l would just make this point, which is not of :>.n informative character but is a point to which my Government attacnes much importance. In his statement of 1 November [A/3251], the Hungarian Prime Minister terminated the Warsaw Pact and r'equested that the Soviet troops should be withdrawn. It is now clear that the Soviet Union Government is acting in direct opposition to the declared wishes of the Hungarian Government in seeking to continue to exereise force against the natura! expression of the wishes of the Hungr.nan people. 42. Representatives will recall that, in the same communication, the Hungarian Prime Minister announced ms Government's intention of establismng astate (17 neutrality for Hungary. As l stated la::>! night, my Government welcomes this announcement. It has noted with tàe profoundest sympathy this further move on the p~rt of the Hungarian Government towards freedom and independence. It is, of course, the earnest wish of my Government that this Couneil should bend its efforts to secl.1re in every way possible the full independence of Hungary. 43. The PRESIDENT (translated from French): l 'VisIl to recaII, for the United Kingdom repr~senta­ ti.'e's information, that the only two communications so far received by the Secretariat are those circulated in documents S/3726 and S/3731. 44. Mr. VAN LANGENHOVE (Belgium) (translated from French) : It was only a few days ago that the Council took up the question of the situation in Hungary. Certainly, as was said yesterday [752nd meeting], the situation is still rather confused; in fact, it would appear still to be highly unstable. 45. Nevertheless, during these few days, a number of important points have become clear. At the Security Couneil's first meeting on this subject [746th meeting], our Soviet Union col1c"'':"Ue maintained that the events in Budapest were pnr'jy- ..omestic and outside the com- 7 47. Last Sunday, our Australian colleague and n yself instantly countered this version with a statement just made by the President of the Hungarian Cound! of Ministers, which completely contradicted it. 1 ga'cl on that occasion that our Soviet Union coll~oue's information had been made entirely obsolete by the march of events. 48. Today, there can he no further doubt on this score. The President of the Hungarian Couneil of Ministers, has twice, yesterday and the clay before, communicated with the Secretary-General. In his first letter [A/3251], he strongly protests against the entry of new Soviet troops into his country and calls for their immediate evacuation. He pïOclaims the neutrality of Hungary and asks the United Nations to guarantee this neutrality. 49. In his second letter to the Secretary-General [S/3726], dated 2 November, the President of the Hungarian Couneil of Ministers draws the Security Council's attention to the latest information available to him, showing that large Soviet uuits were moving from East to West, marching on Budapest and occupying railways lines and railway stations. 50. This information, the authenticity of which was confirmed today by the President of the Hungarian Couneil of Ministers in the cable [S/3731] circulated to us, are in complete contradiction with the statement of our colleague of the Soviet Union. 51. In addition, the Hungarian Government asks the Secretary-General to invite the USSR and Hungarian Governments to start negotiations immediately with a view to recognizing Hungary's neutrality. This request is highly revealing. If the Hungarian Government thus seeks to assert its country's independence, it is be~ause it was deprived of its independence as a result of occupation by the Soviet army; if it calls for United Nations intervention, it is because Hungary's independence is still threatened. 52. Naturally, we are not yet in possession of aIl the facts. \Ve do not know the exact number of Hungarian patriots slain in their struggle for independence by the Soviet tanks which. ln this revolution, seem to have been the real counter-revolutionaries. Accurate figures on this subject would certainly be useful in helping us to decide to what degree the Soviet Union is really qualified to accuse other States of disregarding the right of self-determination of peoples. It is therefore im-, pnrtant that we should know more. The suggestions that have been made to that end ?re, 1 think, wise. 53. However that may be, the United Nations can delay its action no longer. We must not allow the inde-

1 now calI on the representative of Australia. 56. Mr. WALKER (Australia): 1 had previously agreed to hear the replies of the representative of HUl1- gary, if he wishes to reply to the questions that have h~en asked, before taking the floor myself. 57. The PRESIDENT (translated jrom French): \Voulr\ ~he representative of France also prefer to hear the :;.-epn:sentative of Hungary, or does he wish to speak now? 58. Mr. DE GUIRINGAUD (France) (translated from French) : l ' we no objection to having the representative of Hunl:;ary speak immediately. 59. The PRESIDENT (translated jrom French): If th(; represemative of Hungary is prepared to speak, he may do so now. 60. Mr. SZABO (Hungary): First of all, 1 should like to thank the President and the members of the Security Couneil for giving me the opportunity to take part in the Council's discussions as a representative of the Hungarian People's Republic. 61. In reply to the question of the representative of the United States, 1 should like to say that all 1 know officially about the facts in connexion with the question under discussion is contained in documents A/3251 and S/3726. 62. Jn reply to the question of the representatives of the rnited States and Yugoslavia, 1 should like to inform the Couneil with satisfaction of the following promising information received from Budapest today: The leaders of the Hungarian and Soviet armies met today at noon, and both parties expressed their views on the technical questions involved in withdrr.wing the Soviet troops. They agreed that they would study each other's proposaIs and that they would meet again at 10 o'dock tonight, Budapest time. According to the Soviet proposaI, no more troops will cross the border until an agreement is reached. 63. The PRESIDENT: (translated jrom French) 1 calI upon the representative of Yugoslavia 0n a point of order. 64. Mr. BRILEJ (Yugoslavia): Since the report 1 mentioned earlier to the effect that negotiations began in the morning in Budapest and will continue this evening has thus been confirmed, l now move unconditionally and without reserve that this meeting be adjourned to a later date. I move this proposaI solely because it seem3 to me that it is obviously our dutY to refrain from doing anything that might impede the negot1ations. 66. MI'. BRILEJ (Yugoslavia) : May 1 point out that in moving my motion 1 did not mean to imply that speakers whose names were already on the list should not speak now. 67. The PRESIDENT (translated from French): 1 thank the representative of Yugoslavia. That was, indeed, my own understanding and 1 had intended to confirm it. 68. MI'. "VALKER (Australia): The first thing 1 should like te note is that the Soviet representative has repeatedly obstructed the Couneil's desire to deal with this situation. At the first meeting on the subject, last Sunday [746th meeting], the Soviet representative claimed that the Hungarian Government was suppressing a counter-revolution and had appealed to the Soviet Union to assist it. At that meeting 1 was able to quote, as did my colleague from Belgium, the declaration of the Hungarian Government that this was not a counterrevolution but a big national democratic movement, and that the Government was opening negotiations for the withdrawal of Soviet troops. 69. At our second meeting yesterday, [752nd meeting] when we ,vere receiving from aIl !'.ides reports of further fighting in Hungary and further troop movements, and when we had before our eyes an oŒeial communication from the Hungarian Government ta the United Nations requesting the consideration of the neutrality of Hungary and referring to its desire ta have Soviet troops withdrawn, the Soviet represcntative again contested the right of the Security Couneil ta deal with this matter. And in the course of the meeting yesterday we received a further communication expressly requesting action bv the Couneil. In the communication from the President of the Council of Ministers of Hungary yesterday the Security Council was requested ta instruct the Soviet and Hungarian Governments to start negotiations immediately. 70. Today we are meeting again, and again the Soviet representative has stated his opposition ta our continuing our consideration of this matter. At the same time, we have heard from several representatives today further facts regarding the ominous Soviet troop movements inside Hungary. '71. On behalf of the Australian Government, 1 wish to repeat our conviction that the Security Couneil has no altp.rnative but to ventilate and investigate the situation in Hungary, to endeavour to prevent furthcr bloodshed and to encourage the negotiations which will lead ta the recognition of the rights of the Hungar.ian people and the true independence of its Government. 74. We have also heard the suggestion made by the representative of Yugosalvia that this meeting of the Security Council should be adjourned, and t!:lat the Council should avoid taking any steps which, in his words, might impede the negotiations. Far be it from me to do anything to prejudice the successfuloutcome of these negotiations. Accordingly, without accepting entirely the reasoning advanced earlier by the representative of Yugoslavia, 1 should not wish to raise any objection to the course that he has proposOO. 75. 1 should, however, like to say this: We have the prospect of negotiations, and at the same time we have sorne very recently reported facts concerning continuing military movements of Soviet forces in Hungary; we have sorne reports that suggest that there may still be fighting in Hungary. There is, of course, a considerable danger that, in these circumstances, negotiations between the Hungarian Government and the Soviet authorities may not be conducted on a basis of equality and respect for Hungarian rights. Unfortunately, the world has had sorne experience of the course that negotiations sometimes take in a country in which the Soviet Union has been able to establish military supremacy. Hence, while we are preparOO to wait and see, we shaH be waiting with considerable anxiety as weIl as very great hope in our hearts. 1 should be very happy if the Soviet Union representative could on this occasion say something ta encourage us further in our hopes that these negotiations will have a rapid and successful result, paving the way for the true independencc of the Hungarian people.

In the Security Cauncil yesterday afternoon [752nd meeting], the French delegation explained the reasons wmch had 100 it, in conjunction with the delegations of the United Kingdom and the United States, to calI for an urgent meeting of the Securi~' Council. 1 shall briefly recount those reasons: Foreign intervention is taking place on Hungarian territory. sur~that it would be quite wrong, misleading, and unfair to the Hungarian people to take the comfortable view, as the representative of Yugoslavia seemed to do, that we can now safely leave the Hungarian question to settle itself, and to turn to the other question which is preoccupying the United Nations, that of the Situation in the Middle East. 87. As the representative of Australia pointed out, many have had experiences of negotiations with the Soviet Union-I am sorry to say this, but it is a matter of history-which have ended in misfortune. Nor should we forget the shifts and turns of the past week alon~reports of the withdrawal of Soviet forces, followed by reports of new troop movements and new threats to the capital city. In my interventions yesterday and today, 1 set out in the most objective way what 1 believe was the true course of events; these events c1early reveal these ups and downs. Now, fortunately, we have an "up", and what is reported can certainly encourage us to think that freedom for the Hungarian people may be attainable. But can it give us any certainty? Nor, 1 think, should we so easily forget the past tragic events, the terrible loss of civilian lives at the hands of Soviet troops, the frightful destruction of buildings, to say nothing of the forced restraint on the 88. 1 believe it would greatly facilitate the course of events if the draft resolution which has just been circulated by the delegation of the United States [S/3730] could be adopted today by the Security Council. That would be a manifestation of the Security Council's opinion on the principles and rights which are at stake. 1 do not frankly see how the Council could do less. 89. Mr. BELAUNDE (Peru) (translated from Spanish): Adjournment may mean many things: the debate can be adjourned sitlc die on the grounds that the situation is very confused and that the Council is in 110 position ta take a judiciou3 decision. 1 do Ilot think that the representative of Yugoslavia is proposing an indefinite adjournment. l\Ioreover, such an adjournment would not he appropriate in this case, for we are dealing with a heart-rending problem that we must follow from moment to moment, a problem that has had critical-I would even say tragic-phases involving terrible bloodshed, a problem that we cannot for a moment forget. 90. Are we considering postponement of the question for a few hours so that we may receive more complete infonnation? If so, an adjournment might perhaps be justified. There is, however, one matter that troubles me: generally speaking, the Peruvian delegation subscribes to the rule that when the parties are negotiat- ~ng on an equal footing they should be left alone and there should be no interference, in order not to hamper the negotiations or provide any pretext that might lead to their failure. 91. 1 have very serious doubts regarding the nature of the negotiations that are taking place at this moment in Hungary and that are of a military nature. In what atmosphere are the)' taking place? \Vhat factors are there to ensure freedom of action-or rather, freedom to make demands? For today the Hungarian people are entitled to demand their full freedom and the safeguards the)' need for the full exercise of their right of selfdetennination. 92. Have we any assurance that the present Hungarian Government is not under very strong foreign pressure brought about by the recent repression and intensified br Soviet tank and troop movements? Are we certain, on the other hand, that the Soviet Union is desirous, through these negotiations, oi reaching an agreement which can be described only by the English word "fair" -a beautiful word whicli is untranslatable in other languages e-xcept by similar or related words which would still not convey the precise meaning-that is, an agreement on equitable or equal terms? 93. Events lead us to suspect that there has been a kind of ebb and fiow, shuffiing and reshuffiing, action and reaction, in the process of the liberation of Hungary. What point have we reached in this situation? To which side has the pendulum now swung? Is the Government of Hungary-and I will not venture to put this ques- Hun~>arv 1 do not know. Ail 1 do know is that ;+ !s smo~thér than in certain areas, such as Egypt, for instance. But 1 a1so said that we should not allow our attention to be diverted from an area where the people are fighting and dying. 9i. Mr. WALKER (Australia) : 1 do not think there is really any danger of the Security Council or the United Nations generalty having its attention diverted from serious l'vents in any part of the world by the fact that we are continuing to examine this cruciaIly important situation in Hungary. 1 did say, of course, that 1 would never object in principle to deferring consideration of a matter if there was sorne sort of a hope and like1ihood that if we waited a Httle while the situation wou1d be improved. 98. 1 suggested also that perhaps the representative of the Soviet Union might have something to say to us. 1 notice that he has not yet spoken and 1 would regard it as rather premature for us to adjourn before seeing whether :Mr. Sobolev is in a position to give us any ground for further hope in dealing with this matter. 99. 1 anl not at aIl convinced at the moment that voting on the United States draft resolution would create special difficulties. 1 thought the reasoning of the representative of Peru was very instructive and important in that regard, and in these circumstances it seems to me rather premature to insist that the Council shou1d drop this matter. It would be essential, to my minci, to he assüred that in the event of our receiving sOllle funher information in the very near future regarding the progress, if such it be, of negotiations between the Hungarian authorities a..'1d the Soviet au- .thorities for the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the Council would again be called into session immediately. 100. 1 know that the fact that the General Assembly and the Council are meeting at approximate1y the same time presents practical problems, but these are practical problems that havp 'een encountered and solved in the pasto lOS. Mr. LODGE (United States of America) : On the question of adjournment the United States view is as follows. 106. Secretary of State Dulles, at the General Assembly meeting on 1 November said: "1 think we must not allow our preoccupation with what is going on in the Middle East to keep us from also observing with equal intensity what goes on in that part of the world"2 -that is, in Eastern Europe. 107. We are still disturbed by the wide differences ,between Soviet Union words about troop withdrawals and Soviet Union actions, as eviàenced ill news reports. We believe, accordingly, that adjournment for a day or two would give a real opportunity to the Hungarian Government to carry out its announced desire to arrange for an orderly and Immediate evacuation of all Soviet troops. But, dearly, the Security Couneil must keep this matter under urgent consideration. It may well be necessary for the Council to meet tomorrow, as the representative of Cuba suggests, if events do not bear out the reports which we have heard today. In this spirit 1 should be willing, as 1 said, to adjourn until tomorrow or the next day, but 1 should wish to hear the Soviet Union representative, if it is agreeable to him, before we adjourn today-and, of course, any other representative who may wish to speak.

Before calling on the next speaker, l should Iike to recaU one faet and to ~l'tfer a suggestion. The General Assembly is scheduled to meet tonight at 8 o'dock. It is, therefore, physically impossible for us to continue the discussion after 6.30 p.m., or 6.45 p.m. at the latest. Under these eircumstances, instead of discussing the question of adjournment, l suggest that we should not take a decision on the Yugoslav motion but that we 2Ibid., First Emergency Special Session, Plenary Meetings, 562nd meeting, para. 358. 17 111. Mr. TSIA:NG (China) : l also accept that solution, that is, that the next meeting should be held at 10.30 a.m. on Monday. l just wish to say that my delegation is fully capable of paying simultaneous attention to this Hungarian question and the Middle East question-as much attention as these questions require. In fact, if necessary, my delegation is ready to attend simultaneous meetings of the emergency special session of the General Assembly and of the Security Coundi.

l think this is rather a difficult point. My own opinion is-and this is the opinion of rnv coUeagues from AustraHa and the United States-that it is very desirable to hear what the representative of the Soviet Union has to say. 113. Many questions have been put ta the representative of the Soviet Union i'1 the course of our debates over the past two days, and l regret to say that many doubts as to the actions of his Government in Hungary have been voiced around this table. His refererices yesterday to the Prime Minister of Hungary were, to say the least, disagreeable. l think we really must hear him. 114. l know we have an important meeting of the General Assembly at 8 o'dock. l suggest, rather on the Hnes of the proposaI made by my colleague from China, a simple rule of guidance or principle in this matter: in deciding how consideration of the situation in Hungary should be adjourned, we should take account of the merits of the Hungarian situation and not of some kind of inherent priority in the situation in the Middle East. Accordingly, it would not, in my opinion, be proper or safe to decide here and now to schedule our next meeting so far ahead as Monday next. What l suppose we could do is ta schedule it for tomorrow and change that date if necessary. 115. Mr. VAN L'\NGENHOVE (Belgium) (trans- . lated fram French): 1 share the opinion which has just been expressed and hope that the Council will proceed with the consideration of this question as soon as possible. l have read and re-read the United States draft resolution which we have before us and fail to find any provision in it capable of jeopardizing the success of the negotiations in question. On the con- 117. 1 have studied the United States draft resolution, as has the representative of Belgium, and from that study 1 have drawn certain conclusions, which 1 should like to present, in aIl sincerity, to the CounciI. 118. If the United States representative has no objection, 1 should like paragraph 2 of the operative part to be stated more positively. bstead of saying "Expresses the earnest hope that the USSR, under appropriate arrangements with the Government of Hungary, will withdraw aIl Soviet forces from Hungary without delay", it should say "Understands that the USSR ...". 119. With regard to paragraph 3, the addition 1 am going to propose is to a certain extent implicit in that idea, but there are sorne things that it is better ta state: explicitly. 1 therefore think it would he advisable ta say: "3. Affirms the right of the Hungarian people ta secure, through free elections, a government responsive to its national aspirations and dedicated to its independence and well-being." 120. These first three paragraphs are the essential elements of the draft resolution. There is no need for me to refer to paragraph 1, which merely reflects an idea that !las been expressed by aIl delegations: the immediate withdrawal of aIl forces. That can in no way interfere with the negotiations, since their very purpose is to ensure that withdrawaI. 121. Accordingly, having examined the draft resolution, 1 find that it could he put ta the vote. The Peruvian delegation associates itself with what was sald by the representative of Cuba in that connexion and would he able ta vote in favour of the draft resolution. 122. Moreover, there is an urgent reason for voting on the draft resolution. 1 am not proposing that we vote now. 1 accept the wise proposaI of the President. 1 should like, however, to draw attention ta something we should take into account. Paragraphs 4 anù ,~ of the United States draft resolution seem ta me to be matters of urgency. They deal with humanitarian measures. The Council cannot have failed to note \Vith sympathy, enthusiasm and approval the generons offer of the United States Government. Consequently, there seems to be sorne urgency about the request in the draft resolution that the Secretary-General shou1d, in consultation with the heads of appropriate specialized agencies, explore the needs of the Hungarian people for food and medicine. The s~!ne remark applies ta the request made to the Members of the United Nations and its humanitarian organizations in general. 123. Consequently, my analysis of the draft resolution leads me to the following conclusions: Paragraph 1 expresses a hope that a11 the members of the Council have formulated and the Govemment of the Soviet 124. l would therefore ask the United States representative to accept the slight drafting amendments l have proposed. 125. Moreover, 1 should like to say that l support the President's proposaI.

Let me merely sayat this point to the representative of Peru that of course we will consider these amendments very careful1y, study them c10sely and give them our very hest attention.

1 have only two things that l wish to say. The first is that 1 am still hoping that before we adjourn today we shaH have heard from the Soviet Union representative. It seems to me that the absence of any comment from him would he rather ominous, and, in any case, even in considering whether we should envisage a very early reconv~ning of the Council, or whether we must wait for sorne time, what Mr. Sobolev might have to say would he a material consideration. 128. Secondly, 1 should like to say that in view of the situation in Hungary, as we have had it expounded at this table, it does not seem to me that the Council would he carrying out its duty if we agreed to adjourn until Monday. 129. Mr. DE GUIRINGAUD (France) (translated fram French): 1 should like to say, first, that if the question of the adjournment of this meeting is put to the vote, the vote should not, 1 think, be influenceà by the consideration that a meeting of another organ is scheduled. The composition of ail our delegations is such that they can cope with situations as they arise. If we adjourn our meeting of today, which is concerned with the subject of Hungary, it is the situation in Hungary, and nothing else, which in :ny view should determine the time of our next meeting. 130. Secondly, like the representatives of Australia and the United Kingdom, 1 deplore the fact that we are considering an adjournment before having heard what the representative of the Soviet Union has to sayon the subject under discussion. It is the Soviet Union which is principally implicated in this matter, in additiut1 to Hungary. We have ail asked Mr. Sobolev why Soviet troops were in Hungary, when they would leave, and what was happening in Hungary. If Mr. Sobolev would reply to these questions, we would then be in a position to form a more intelligent estimate of the situation which we are considering. 131. Thirdly, l should like to say that the amendments submitted by the representative of Peru strike me as excellent, and that l should be prepared to agree to them. 132. Mr. SOBOLEV (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (translated from Russian) : 1 have been asked to comment on the report that negotiations are being conducted between Hungarian aud Soviet representa- 20

As there are no further names on the list ofspeakers, 1 think that the Couneil should noVi settle the date of its next meeting. 135. We have hefore us a proposaI made by the representative of Cuba, who has agreed to amend it on the lines 1 had indicated, namely, that the Couneil's next meeting should he held on Monday, 5 Novemher, at 10.30 a.m. 1 shall therefore put the proposaI to the vote. 136. Mr. NU~EZ PORTUONDO (Cuba) (translated from Spanish) : 1 wish to clarify one point. The representative of Yugoslavia presented the proposaI and 1 said that 1 would abstain in the vote on it but that, if the Couneil decided in favour of the adjl)urnment, 1 would suggest that we should meet at 5 p.rn. tomorrow. Later 1 consented to the President's request that we should meet on Monday at 10.30 a.m. 1 did not, however, propose the adjournment and 1 am not going to vere in favour of it. 1 am going to abstain. The member prochaine matiquement. -.':"é) proposed the adjournment was the representative hom Yugoslavia and 1 do not wish to deprive him of that honour and responsibiIity.

Before calling on the representative of the United Kingdom, 1 ought to explain the position. The representative of Cuba has probably lDlsunderstood my remarks. We are not voting on the adjoumment. When there are no further names on the list of speakers, the meeting is automatically adjourned. My suggestion concerned the date of the next meeting, and 1 proposed that we should meet on Monday at 10.30 a.m., and the representative of Cuba agreed. 138. Sir Pierson DIXON (United Kingdom): 1 merely wish ta repeat that my reaS()n for being unwi11- ing to see it established that the Security Council should not meet again until Monday morning is that 1 think it important that the Couneil should have from the Soviet Union representative as rea1 and full an account as he can give of what is in fact happening in Hungary. The statement whicb we have just heard from mm could hardly be ca!led Ïnformative. 1 therefore shou1i not he able to vote in favour of a motion fixing the date of the ·Couneil's next meeting so far ahead as Monday. ment qui véritablement fixer éloignée 139. Mr. DE GUIRINGAUD (France) (translated from French) : The President bas just indica'ied that dent there are no more names on the list of speakers. The crits. Security Couneil now has a draft resolution befcre it, and normally, when the list of speakers has been exon hausted, a draft resolution is---nr may be--put to the de vote. 1 wonder why, in the present case, the draft resopas au vote sur lution before the Couneil is not heing put to the vote. saisis. 140. The PRESIDENT (translated from French): i 1 should point out to the representative of France that, l'attention l as a general rule, a debate may be regarded as closed bien when the list of speakers has been exhausted, but that, crits, , if a representative expresses the wish-espeeially at a tique des organes des j late hour-to speak at another meeting, the practice in délégation a l Utrlted Nations organs bas been to aa:ede to bis re- 21 antre

1 do not think it is necessary to discuss that proposaI. I therefore put to the vote the Australian proposaI that the Security Couneil should meet tomorrow, Sunday, 4 November, at 5 p.m. 145. Sir Pierson DIXON (United Kingdom) : 1want to ask the President why he considered it necessary to put the pretposaI of the representative of Australia to the vote, since, 50 far as 1 know, he had no intention of putting bis own proposaI to the vote. Could he not ask whether there were any objections to a meeting tomorrow afternoon?

A glance at the list of speakers tells me that more than ten members of the Couneil have spoken on this question. Therefore, it is not sucb a simple matter to leave it to the President to ca11 the next meeting. As President, 1 could hardly give my own proposai preference over that of others. 1 am bound in courtesy \.0 accede to the wishes of another delegation. 147. 1 therefore put to the vote the proposaI of the Australian representative that the Security Conncil should meet tomorrow, Sunday, 4 Novemher, at 5 p.m. A vote was taken by show of hands. In favour: Australia, Belgium, China, Cuba., France, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IreIand. Against: Iran, United States of America. Abstaining: Peru, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Yugoslavia. The result of the vote was 6 in favour, 2 against, with 3 abstentions. The proposai was not adopted, hœving Jailed to obtain the affirmative votes of seven members. 148. The PRESIDENT (translated from French): If there are no other proposais, 1 shall be obliged to flut my own to the vote. 149. Mr. NU~'EZ PORTUONDO (Cuba) (translated from Spanish) : 1 wish to explain that 1 voted in favour of my original proposaI, wbich was then moved by another representative, despite the fact that 1 had acceded to a request from the President.

1 voted in the same way as most of the member~l of the Council for the same reason as Sir Pierson Dixon. 1 think it is better to decide on the time and date of the meeting now than to leave the time open. Nevertheless, 1 should like to reserve my right to ask the President to caU a meeting of the Council e..rlier if in the light of reports received from Hungary in the meantime we should consider that the situation caUs for more urgent action. 154. The PRESIDENT (translated from French) : It goes without saying that the fact that a meeting bas been arranged does not rule out the possibility of calling an earlier meeting if circumstances should necessitate one. The meeting rose at 6.50 p.m.