S/PV.406 Security Council

Members of the Council h.::lve heard the important statement presented by the representative of the Netherlands. Unless I hear any request to speak from a member of the Council, or from any of the representatives seated at this t<.ble, I shall take it that members of the Council wish to proceed to c. vote on the draft resolution, Mr. MENON (India): I do not wish, at this dosingstage of the discussion of the Indonesian question and when we are about to vote on the draft resolution, to take up the time of :he Council. However, I would request pennission to make an observation with reference to the statement of the representative of the Netherlands in regard to Hyderabad. First of all, the Nizam of Hyderabad was never placed in detention by the Government of India. and is today ns free to go about in any part of the world as the Prime Minister of India. M. MENON (Ind!::) (traduit de l'angM-is): Je ne :veux pas, a ce stade final du debat sur la question indonesienne et au moment OU nons allons voter sur le projet de resolution, abuser du 'temps dout dispose le Consei\. Cependant, je voudra.is demander la pennission de faire nne observation sur la decla:,ation du representant des Pays-Bas relative a Haiderabad. En premier lieu, le NizaID d'Haiderabad n'a jamais ete interne par le Gouvemement de l'Inde et it est aujourd'hui aussi libre de se rendre dans n'importe quelle partie du monde que le Premier Ministre de 1'Inde. Je vais plus loin et j'affirme que, en n~a1ite, le Nizam d'Haiderabad avaif efe fait prisonnier par une minorite active et sans scrupules et q:.le ce sont les forces indiennes qui lui ont rendu une complete Jiberte d'action. Non seuJement le Nizam, mais aussi le peuple d'Haiderabad etaient terrorises et domines par cette minorite. L'annee indienne a He lme armee liberatrice qui a Son.uve le Nizam et son peuple de la tyralmie d'une clique. Il est egalement inexact de declarer que la cen- , sure existe en Haiderabad. Les observateurs de n'importe quelle partie du monde ont toute liberte pour venir en Haiderabud et se rendre com?te par eux-memes de la veritable situation. Je demande sincerement au representant des Pays- Bas d'accorder aux observateurs militaires designes par la Commission de bons offices de cette auguste assemblee, les memes faeilites que le Gouvernement de l'Inde accorde al1X observatetJrs et aux visiteurs qui se rendent en Halderabad. En ce qui conceme les allegations relatives au massacre des musulmans et au pillage de biens musulmans en Haiderabad, je sympathise since I go further and claim that the Nizam of Hyderabad was a virutal prisoner in the hands of a militant and unscrupulous millority grcup, and it was the Indian forces which actmlly restored him to complete freedom. Not only the Nizam of Hyderabad, but the people of Hyderabad, were. terrorized and suppressed by :his minority. The Indian Army was an army of freedom which rescued the Nizam l:md his people from the tyranny of a junta. Again it is untrue to say that there is any censorship in Hyderabad. Observers from any part of the world are free to visit Hyderabad and to see. for themselves the actual state of affairs there. I would sincerely reqt:est the representative of the Netherlands to accord, at least to the milital'"Y ooservers assigned by the Corn· mittee of Good Offices of this august body, the same facilities which observers and visitors to Hyderabad are given by the Government of India. As to the rest of the allegations about the massacres and looting of Muslims and Muslim property in Hyderabad, I sincerely sympa6ize with the pathetic position of the representative of the Netherlancs, who has to faH 'Jack on malicious untruths coming from someone who is living hundreds of miles away from Hyderabad. I would invite the representative of the Netherlands, and the people of his way of thinking, to visit Hyderabad and see things for themselves.

As there are no further speakers, we shall proceed to the vote. In view of the remarks of the representative of Arg~tina, and because the representative of the USSR has submitted a specific amendment which is set forth in docnment 5/1233, I pro::JOse to put the dra:t joint resolution (5(1219] to the sa~ilite que personne, actuellement, ne P~llt nous rehrer. Le PRESIDENT (traduit de l'anglais): Les rnembres du Conseil ont entendu I'importante declaration du representant des Pays-Bas. Si aucnn membre du Conseil ou aucun representant siegeant acette table ne demande la parole, je considererai que les membres du Cor.seiI desirent passer au vote ~ur le projet de resolution. R rement' avec le representant des Pays-Bas qui se trouve dans une situation dramatiqm, car it a recours aux contre-verites malveil!antes qui lui sont communiquees par quelqu'nn vivant a des centaines de milles d'Haiderabad. J'invite le representant des Pays~Bas et les gem qui pefh.~nt comme lui a venir en Haiderabad et a se rendr!'; compte par eux-memes de l'Etat a:tuel du p.ays. Le PRESIDENT (lraduit de l'ang!ais): Comme personne d'autre ne demande a prendre la parole, nous allons proceder au vote. A la suite des observations du representant de l'Argentine, et comme le representant de l'URSS a presente 11n amendement coI:ltepu da;ts le document 5/1223, je propose ?e proced,er a .un vote par division sur le projet de resolution commun Mr. VAN ROI}EN (Netherlands): Might I suggest a separate vote on the sub-paragraphs? As an inten:::;ted puty and not being a. member of the Security Council, I do not h.ll0W whether I have the right to propose this, but I should very greatly appreciate it if the Council could see its way clear to accept this proposal. The PRESIOE~T: I should be very happy te accept the suggestion of the representative of the Netherlanus. We shall vote on the various :sub-paragraphs. Mr. MALIK (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (~ra-n.slaled from Russian): I should like to ask that the text of the resolution from the preamble to operative paragraph 2 inclusive, should be put to the vote in parts; and I also reserve the right to ask that the separate paragraphs also be put to the vote in parts. The PRESIDEN"T:' Do I understand the representative of the USSR to say tha,t be wishes each separate part of the preamble to be voted upon separately? Mr. MALIK (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) : Yes.

I call the attention of the members of the Sect:rity Council to the document dated 28 January which has been distributed by the Secretariat. This doc;:ument gives effect to the decision tak~n at the 405th meeting to embody in the original draft resolution the amendments which we accepted yestercay and which were agreed to by the sponsors of the draft resolution. In consequence of tbis, we have this one working paper dated 28 January, and also document S/1233. Mt". MALlK (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (tramlated .from Russilln): I suggest that the first paragraph of the preamble should be put to the vote as follows: "Tlte Securi~y Coutldl. "Recalling its resolution of 1 August 1947 [S/459J ... "1; then omit the words "... 2S August 1947 [S,I525] and 1 November 1947 [5/597] ... "; and then continue to the end of the paragraph, that is, ", .. with respect to the Indonesian qttestion"l. I propose that the words "25 August 1947 and. I November 1947" should be put to the vote separately in view of the fact that the delegation of 'the Fnion of Soviet Socialist Republics did not vote for these two resolutions J1.t the time. It will, however, vote for the rest of the paragraph. The P:RESIDENT: In view of the request of the representative of the USSR. the first paragraph of the draft resolution will be ..oted in three parts. The first part to be voted is: 'The it~J.i(.'izffi word, are in Engli"j; in the Russian 'Les mots en italique figurent en anglais dans le: ....erbatim record. compte re:r.dust~nographique rune. M. VAN ROIJEN (Pays-Bas) (traduit de l'at$- glais): Puis-je proposer que 1'0n vote sur cbaque alinea sepuement? En tant que parrie inreressee et n'et:J.nt pas membre du Conseil de securite, je ne sais si j'ai le droit de faire cette proposition, mais je serais tres hetireux que le Conseil veuille hien I'accepter. Le PRESlDENT (traduiJ de l'atlglai.r): J'accepte tt'es yolon~iers la suggestion du representant des Pays-Bas. Nous votE"wns SlIr chacnn des alineas. 1[, MALIK (Union des Republiqces socialistes sovietiques) (trcduit dj~ russe): PoUt' ma part, je .voudrais demander que le projet de resolution soit mis aux voix paragraphe par paragraphe depuis le pre.ambule et jusqu'au paragraphe 2 da dispositif inclu.sivemE"n:. Je me reserve, cl'autre part, le droit de demander un vote par division Sur chacun de ces paragraphes, Le Pd:SiDENT (lrciduil de l'anglais): Dois-je comprendre que le representant de I'URSS desir!! la division clu "Vote sur chaque paragraphe du preambule? M. MALlK (Union des Republiques sodalistes sovietiques) (traduit de l'anqlais): Qui. L~ PRESIDENT (lraduit de l'anglais): J'attire l'attention des membr!!s du Conseil de securite sur le document en date du 28 janvier que le Secretariat a fait distribuer. Ce document applique la decision prise hier [405cme .seanceJ de comprendre, dans le projet de resolution original, les amendements que nous avons adoptes hier et que: les nllteurs du projet de resolution ont approuves. Par consequent, nous disposons de ce document de travail., en date du 28 janvier, ainsi quedu document 5/1233. M. MAUIt (Union des Republiql.les socialistes sovietiques) (trcdttit du ru.rs~·): le voudrais que le premier considerant du preambule soit mis aux voix dans la redaction aitivante: "The Security Council, "Recalling its resolution of 1 August 1947 [3/459J ...", en omettant ensuite lesmots "25 aout 1947 [5/525] et ler novembre 1947 [S/597]" et en votant ensuite sur la fin de ce paragraphe, c'est-a.-dire les. mots "with respect to the Indo~ nesian questionl ". le voudrais ell effet que le membre de phrase "25 aotit 1947 et 1er novembre 1947" fasse robjet d'un vote separe car en son temps la delegation de t'URSS n'a pas vote en faveur de ces deux; resolutions. Par contre, eIle va voter en faveur du reste de ee considerant. Le PRESIDENT (traduit de I'anglais): Par suite de la demande iormu:ee par le re?resentant de l'URSS, i1 sera proced€: au vote s:lr le premier considerant en trois parties s~parees.'La premiere partie est la suivante: Mr. MALllC (Union of Sovi7t SoCialist Re- ; pt:bltcs) (trcmswled from RUSSla1I): I am not '; proposi"1g that the words '25 August 1947 and 1 November 1948" should be omitted, only that they sholllrl be put to the vote separately. In the Security Council's voting experience, there have been cases when the votir.g On separate paragraphs occurred sentence by sentence, and even word by word, for exam?le, in the Palestine qllestion. It is nothing new, and in no way viahites the IUleS of procedure. M. MALIK (Union des Repttbliques socialistes sovi~tiques) (trooui/ at, rU.l<re): Je ne propose pas d'eJiminer les mots "25 aout" et "ler no~ vembre". Je propose seulement qu'on 'les metie aux v-oix separernent. II existe, dans la procedure de vote du Conseil-de securite, des .precedents'ou les paragraphes ant ete mis aux YOtx phrase par p:,rase ou meme mot par -mot. II en a 6te ainsi, par exemple, poce la question palestinienne..Ma requete ne presente .dell de nouveau et .ne c:onstittte aUCUflement Une violation du reglement I interiellr. The Pll.l;:SIDENT: The President of th~ Security Council is bound in this matter by the provisions of rule 32 which reads, in' its second paragraph, as folluw5; Le Pd:SIDENT (trGdj4it d~ l'anglais) : Le President du Conseil de securite est, en cette matiere. lie par ies dispositions de I'artide 32 du regie'- ment interieur dont le second paragraphe est ainsi Jibetle: "La division est de droit si elle est demandee, amoins que l'auteur de la proposition ou du projet de resolution ne s'y oppose." C'est pourquoi je propose. de suivre la procedure que j'ai indiquee et je demande aux membres du Conseil de securite de faciliter cette procedure. "Parts of a motion or of a draft resolutio:l shalt be voted on separately at the request of any repr,esentath'e, unless the origina: mover objects." Accordingly, I propose to proceed as I have indicated, and I would appeal at this time to the members of the Security Council to facilitate the procedure of the Council. A vote will now be taken on the wores "Recal!i1Ig its res<Jlution' of 1 A:.lgust 1947". Nous allons mainlenant proceder au vote sur les mats "Rappelanl sa resolution du 1er aotit 1947". 11 est procidi au vote d main levee. Votent pour: Argentine, Cmada, Chine, Cuba, Egypte, Norvege, Republique socialis:e sovi~tique G'Ukraine, Union des Republiques socialistes sovietiques, Royaume-Uni, Etats-Unis d'Ame~ rique. S'abstient: la France. Par 10 voi:( (ontre zero, avec line abstention, ces mots son/ adnptis. A Vole U\1S taken byslww of hands, as follow.r: In favour .. Argentina, Canada, China, Cuba, Egypt, Norway, tn<rainian Soviet Socialist Repllblic,. Union (If Soviet Socialist Republics, United KIngdom, United States of America. Abstai,Jing: France. The 'Words were adopted by 10 votes lu nom, with 1 abstmt-ioll, Le PRESIDENT (traduit de l'a.f:glais) : Le second vote portera. sur les mots "25 aotit 194.7 et ler novembre 1947", Il est procide an vote d main levee. Votm! pOllr: Argentine, Canada, Chine, Cuba, Egyple, Norvege, Royaume-Uni, Etats-Unis d'Amerique. S'aostilmnent: Fr,,'Uce, Republique socialiste sovietique d'Ukraine. Union des Republiques socialistes sovle~iqtlf'..~. Par 8 voi:c contre zero, avec 3 abltentiolls, ces mots sont adoptis.

The second vote will be on the words "25 August 1947, and 1 November 1947". A vote 'was taken b)' Sh01~ of hands, as follows: In favour: Argentina, Canada, China, Cuba, Egypt, Norway, United Kingdom, United States of America. Abstainillg: France, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Cnion of Soviet Socialist Republics. The words were adoptl!ri by 8 votes to none, with 3 abstmtiotls. Le PRESlDENT (tradl~it de l'angl.a.iJ): It 'la etre procede au vote sur les mats "relatives a la question indonesienne".

A vote will now be taken on the words "with respect to the Indonesian qurs· tion". Abstaining: France. The words were adopted by 10 votes to none, with 1 abstention.

The paragraph is adopted. Mr. KERNO (Assistant Secretary-General in charge of the Department of Legal Affairs): The second paragraph of the preamble Teads: "Taking noie with approval of the reports submitted to the Security Council by its Committee of Good Offices for Indonesia." In favour: Argentina, Canada, China, Cuba, ' Egypt, Norway, United Kingdom, United States of America. Abstaining: France, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The paragraph was adopted by 8 votes to none, with 3 abstentions. Mr. KERNo (Assistant Secretary~General in charge of the Department of Legal Affairs): The third paragraph of the preamble reads: "Considering that its resolutions of 24 Decem- ber 1948 [5/1150) and 28 December 1948 [5/1164 and S/116S] have not been fully carried out ;"

We now pass to the amendment submitted to the first numbered paragraph, paragraph 1, by the representative of the USSR [S/1233]. The Assistant Secretary-General will 'read the amendment. Mr. KERN"O (Assistant Secretary~General in charge of the Department of Legal Affairs) : The -amendment is to replace the first paragraph of the operative part of the draft resolution by the .following text: M. KERNO (Secretaire general adjoint charge du Departement juridique) Uraduit de J'anglais) : L'il.mcndement en question vise a remplacer le paragraphe premier du dispositif du projet de resolution par le texte suivant: IfThe Netherlands troops shall be immediately withdrawn to the positions provided for by the Renville Truce Agreement [S/649, Appendix XI]." .A vote was taken by show of hands, as follows: "Les troupes neerlandaises seront immediate-'- ment retinfes sur les positions prevues par l'Acco rd de treve signe sur le Renville [5/649, a1'lnc_ve XI] . II est procede au vo.te d main leT/h. It: favour: Cuba, Egypt, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Union of' Soviet Socialist Republics. Volent pOllr: C;uhil, Egypte, Republique socialiste sovietique d'Ukraine, Union des Republiques sodalistes sovietiques. Abstaining: Argentina, Ca1).ada, China, France, Norway, United Kingdom, United States of America. S'abstiemunt: Argentine, Canada, Chine, France, Norvege, Royaume~Uni, Etats-Unis d'Amerique. The rwdt of Ihe vote was 4 in favdur, none against, and 7 abstentions. The amendment was not adopted, having failed to obtain the affirma- HVf? .vote of seven mtmbers. fly a 4 'voir pOllr,et 7 abstentions. N'ayant pas able"" le vote affirmat·if de sept mernbres, l'anlendemnlt fl'est pas adopte. Mr. KERNO (Assistant' Secretary-General in charge of the Department of Legal Affairs): Paragraph 1 reads as follows: M. KERNO (Secretaire general adjoint charge du Departement juridique) (tradtlit de J'01Ig1uis) : Le paragraphe premier du dispositif est redige comme suit: "Invite le Gouvernement des Pays~Bas a faire cesser-immMiatement toutes operations militaires, invite le GOllvernement de la Republique il ordon _ ner enmeme temps a. ses partisans armes de mettre fin aux operations de guerilla, et invite les <let1X parties a collaborer au retahlissetnent de lapaix et au maintien de I'ordre public dans toute la region interessee;" "Calls upon the Government of the Netherlands to insure the immediate discontinuance of all military operations, calls upon the Government of the Republic simultaneously to order its armed adherents to cease guerrilla warfare, and calls upon both parties to co-operate in the restoration of peace and the maintenance of law and order throughout the area affected;"

Rule 32 is brought into play, as an original mover of bis resolution has objected to the parts being separated. Therefore, 1 shaU request the Assistant Secretary-General to read the whole of paragraph 2. Mr. KEI!!'{O (Assistant Secretary-Gener~l in charge of the Department of Leglll Affairs); Paragraph 2 reads: "Calls upon the Government of the Netherlands to release immedia:ely and uncClnditionally all political prisoners arrested by them since 17 December 1948 in the Republic of Indonesia; and to facilitate the immediate return of officials of the Government of the Republic of Indonesia to Jogjakana in order that they may discharge their responsibilities under ?aragrapb 1 above and in order to exercise their appropriate functions in full freedom, inc1udir.g administration of the Jogjakarta area, which shall include the city of Jogjakarta and its immediate environs. The Netherlands authorities shall afford to the Government of the Republic of Indonesia such facilities as may reasonably be required by the Govern~ ment for its efff'ctjve function in the Jogjakarta' area and for communication and consultation with all persons in Indonesia." Mr, MALll<: (Union of Soviet SociaEst Republics) (translated from Rt';ssian): Taking into account the fact that this point deals with the question of the release of pDlitical prisoners and the granting of permissil'Il to the 11ldor.csian Government to exercise its functions "in full freedom", the delegation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Rept..1.blics will vote for this point, even thoug~ it considers it to be inadequate as the ~ion en liberte tous les prisonniers politiques etc." Jusqu'au mot "Iibrement" en omettant les'mots " f . con ormement au pa:agraphe prem:er". Etant donne que la delegation de l'URSS n'a pas vote en faveur du paragraphe premier, je dernande que l'on mette .lux voix la premi~re phrase dans la red~ction proposee, mais - en exc1u.ant les mots "conformement all paragraphe premIer". . :M. JESSU? (Etats-Unis d'Amerique) (traduit de l'anglais): I1 me semble qu'en eliminant :e~ mots "conformement au paragraphe premier", on c?ange le sens du texte, ce qui oonsti~ue par conseqllent un ornendement au texte. 11 me parait difficite de faire :ette suppression. M. MALIK (Union des Repu'Jliques socialisles sovietiqlles) (fraduit du 1'usse): Je ne crois pas que la proposition se trouve modifiee quant au fond. 11 ne s'agit que de la rHereoce all paragraphe premier. Ceux qui entendent voter en faveur de cette reference le feront et ceux qui ne le veulent pas, parce qu':ls n'ont pas \'ote en faveur du paragraphe premier, s'en abstiendro!11, C'est line simp~e question de procedure G,ui n'affecte pas la proposition (j'c:ant au fond. Le PRESIDE.NT (traduit de l'iutglais) : Du fait qu'un des promoteurs de Cette resollltion s'est nppo!ie. a la division, l'articIe 32 du reglement interieur en:re en jeu. C'est pourquoi je demande all Secretaire general adjoint de donner lect'Jre de l'enscmble du paragraphe 2. M. KElI.NO (Secrelaire gene:al adjoint charge du Departement juridiqueJ (tradllit ie l'atlglais): Voici le texte du paragraphe 2: "I1l't:ite le Gouvernelllent des Pays-Bas a remettre immediatement et sans condition en liberte tous les prisonniers politiques arretes par lui dans la ReiCublique dTndonesie depuis le 17 cecerr.bre 1948, et a fadllter le retour immEdiat a Djokjakarta des fonctionnaires du Gouvernement de la Repllbliqlli" d'Tnflonesie, de maniere ace q'J'i1s puissent s'acquitter des taches qui leur sont imparties conformement au paragraphe pranier cidessus et exercer lihrement les charges qui leur incombent, notamment l'administration de la region de Djokjakarta, qui s'entend de la ville ne Djokjakarta et de ses environs intlnediats. Les autorites .neerla:ldaises donneront au Gouverneroent de la Re?ublique indonesienne toutes les fad/itts que cehi-ci pourra raisonr.ablement exiger pour s'acquitter emcacement de ses fonctions dans la region de Djokjakarta, ansi que pour communiquer ou se concerter avec quiconque en Indonesie." M. MALIK (Union des Republis.ue~ soci.alistes soviet~ques) (tradui! du rnsse): Etant donne que ce paragraphe traite de la liberation des detenus [Jolitiqlles et propose de donner au Gouvemement d'Indonesip toute la liberte qui lui est necessaire pour remplir ses fonctions, la delegation de I'URSS votera en sa faveur, bien qu'elte considere que <:es dispositions soient insuffisantes car, a en juger par les explications fournies hier, les Mr. TARAS1;:NKO (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic) (translated from Russian): The delegation of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic will also vote for this point with the same reservation as that made by the representative of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The reservations as explained by the representatives of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR have bt,en noted. We shall now vote on paragraph 2.

I shoLt1d like to draw the attention of the representative of the USSR to the fact that I specifically said that we were voting on the whole of paragraph 2 and that that entire paragraph was read out in English by the Assistant Secretary-General and interpreted into French, the other working language. The paragraph has been voted on. I might reeal! M. T ARASSENKO (Republique socialiste sovietique d'Ukraine) (traduit du russe): La dele· gation de la RSS d'Ukraine va egalement voter en faveur de ce paragraphe avec la reserve que vient de faire le representant de la delegation de l'URSS. Le PRESIDENT (traduit de ranglais) : Il est pris bonne note des reserves formulees par les representants de l'Union des Republiques socialistes sovi~tiques et de la Republique socialiste sovietique d'Ukraine. Nous allons passer au vote sur le paragraphe 2. Il est procede au v04e d main levee. Votent pour: Argentine, Canada, Chine, Cuha, Egypte, Norvege, RSS d'Ukrainc, Union des Republiques socialistes sQviHiques, Royaume-Uni, Etats-Unis d'Amerique. S'abstient: la France. Par 10 voix contre zero, evec tnw abstention, le paragraphe est adopte. M. KERNO (Secretaire general adjoint charge du Departement juridiCJ.lle) (frqau.it de l'angJa·il,,): Le pamgraphe 3, jusqll'a l'aJinea a), est redige comme suit: "Recommande, afin d'atteindr~ les objectifs reconnns et realiser les s01:haits exprimes par les deux p::lrties, a savoir 1::1 constitution, dans le plus bref delai possible, des Etats-Unis federaux, independants et souverains d'Indonesie, que les representants dn Gouvernement des Pays-Bas et ceux de la Republique indonesienne ouvrent des qu'ils le poulTont des negociations avec le concours de la Commission mentionnee au paragraphe 4 ci-apres, en s'inspirant des principes enonces dans les Accords de Linggadjati et du Renvilla, en tirant profit de I'accord pat·tiel realise par les parM ties sur les propositions qui leur ont ete soumises le 10 septembre 1948 par le representant des Etats-Unis a la Commission de bons offices et en tenant compte notamment de ce que:" M. MALlK (Union des Republiques soeialistes sovietiql1es) (traduit d1' russe): Vous avez mis aux voix ensemble la premiere et la deuxibne phrase du deuxieme paragraphe. Avant le vote, j'avai, demande que ces phrases fussent mises aux voix sepnrement. le voudrais demander un vote separe sur la deuxieme phrase. Le PRESlDR:-<T (t·radttit de l'anglais): Je tiens a attirer I'attention du representant de I'URSS sur le fait que j'ai bien specific que notre vote concernait I'ensemble du paragraphe 2, et qu'il a ete donne lecture de tout ce paragraphe en anglais par le Seeretaire general <tdjoint et que le para· graphe a ete ensuite interprHe en fram;ais, la deuxieme langue de travail. Un vote a eu lieu Mr, MALE (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (translated from Rj~ssian); ]n that case I shott1d like to oake a reservation. I had asked tr.at the first sentence should be put to the vote separately, ar:d consequently I voted fo: the first sentence of the paragraph 2. In the case of the second sentence of that paragr~pl1, I abstain. Mr. T ARASENKO (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist RepuiliC;' (tmustatd from Russia'1): The repsentative of the USSR asked that the vote should be taken in t'.V0 parts and that further, the refere:lce to paragraph 1 should be put to a se?arE.te vote. There wen~ no objections to that proposal. I understood th..t paragrapi 2 was being void on in two parts, and voted accordingly, If, on the cont~ary, t11e President considers that the; vote was taken on paragraph 2 as a whole, then I must l':1ake the same reservation, I voted for be first part of paragraph 2 and abstain on the seCond part of that paragraph. The PREs:nENT: The re.presentative of Egypt has asked for 'Jermissiol1 to gpeak but before granting it I sh·ollld like to remind him that if he intends to discuss paragraph 2 he; would not be in order, sir-cl" the discussion of that pa~a­ graph is complete. I would take this oppo:tunity to s<.y to the representatives of the USSR and of the Ukrainian S$R that their reservations and explanations have been luny recardeJ in lbe l11inntes of this meeting. and that I propose now to pass to paragmj,lh 3. Mahmoud FA\YZI Bey (Egypt): I do net want :1nd1l1y to delay the work of the Council. I merely wished to say a word in connexion with :he; ~e.se:vations raise;d by the rep:ese~tatives of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR. If I am allowed to do se,. I shall p,raceed very briefly.. T:tc PRE5IlJE:'T: I am very 'gl"d to h:l.Ve the assurance 0: the representative of Egypt that his remarks wi:l be brief, and I cal] upon him to make H.em. Mr. :MALIK (Union of Soviet SociaEst Republics) (translated fro'l1l- Rlwian:' : I reserve the right to ma:"e a statement. depending upon what the representative of Egypt will say. Mahmoud F.AWZI Del' (Egypt): I could nullify the reserva:ion just made by the representa~ive of the USSR by 110t making any observations myself, hut I shall neve.tt:e1ess proceed. My intention was to express my doubts as to the validity of the reservations both of the represe:Jta~ tive of the; USSR and of the re[Jre~entatiyc of the Ulcainian SSR. I said "my doubts". I am not sure they are riKhl; I am not sure they are wrcng. However, I should like to point out that we might be creating a bad prectdent. I tal{e it that wl:at wc He doin~ now-if we shOl'.1d contintle; in this way-will not I~e;cessarily create a precedent to be followed in the future. Mr. MAUK (Union 01 Soviet Socittlist Republics) (translated from Russian): I bdie:ve the aprrehel1sions vf the representative ef Egypt M. MALIK (Ur.ion des Re;mbliques sQcialistes sovietiqu('s) (!taduit riu tllsse) : Oans ces conditions je veux fnire noe n~>lerve. J'avais detr.ande que I'on mett!' aux voix tout d'abord la premiere; phrase et j'ai vote pour cette premiere phrase du paragraphe 2. Sur la deuxieme phrase de Cl" paragraphc, je m'abst:ens. ::\-1. TARASSENKO (Republique soc:aliste SQvietique d'Ukraille) Uraduit at/, yusse; ; Le re:pre'-- sentan~ de l'URSS avait demande de diviser le vote en de1x, puis de vater i part sur la reference au paragraphe premie~. Cette demande; n'avait pas sou1eve d'objectian, J'avc.is compris que le vote sur le paragraphc 2 Se fais~it ell deux part:ef; et j 'ai vote en cOnsequence. Si vous estimet, au contra;re, que le paragraphe 2 a ete mis aux voix dans son ensemble, je seral amene a faire la meme reserve. .T'ai vD1e pOUT la premiere partie dn pa~agr;1phf: 2 et je m'abstiens e;n ce; qui concerne la dwxieme partie. Le PRESIDENt' (traduit de ranglais) : Le repre~ sentant de l'Egypte a dernande la pal'ole, ma:s avant de la lui a~corder, je tiens a 1ui rappe1er que, s'il avait l'it~ten\ion de diseutcr le paragraphe 2, i1 contr€siendrait ;1n d:glement, la discussion Cl" 'c'e; paragraphe etant terminee. Je voudrais profiter de cette occassiol1 pollr assurer les re;presentant de 1TRSS et de la RSS d'Ukraiu~ que lcurs reserves et explications ont ete dument enreg:str6:s au praces-verbal de ceLte seance; je propose Le passer maintenant au paragraphe 3, Mahmoud FAWZI Bev (Egypte;) (trad'Uit de l'(21/glais): Je ne veux pas retarder indument le's travailx du Conseil. }t desirais settlement dire que1ques mats a propas des reserves formulees par les represen:ants de l'URSS et de la RSS d'Ukraine. Si j'y suis aL:tarise. je serai tres btef. Le PRftSIDENT (tradllit de l'anglais); le suis heureux d'avoir l'assurance du representant de l'Egypte que ses observ,tiolls seront breves et je l'invi:e a Ies presenter. M. MALll{ (Union de-s Republiques socia1istes sovietiques) (tY-cduit ill, ru.tse): Je me reserve le droit de. prendre la parole, s'il y n lieu, seIon Cl" que contiendra 111 declaration que va faire le representant de I'Egypte. M.ahll1oud FAWZI Bey (Egypte) (traduit de l'angtais): La reserve que vient de faire le representant de l'URSS pocrra:t devenir sans objet si je decidais de ne pas presenter mon observation; je la presenterai neanmoins. J'avais l'intention d'exprimef :nes dOllies quant a la validite des reserves bites. lint par le I"fpl'eSentant de rURSS qne par le rep~ese::ttant de la RSS d"Ckraine. J'ai dit "lUe;s doutes". Je ne suis pas sur de leur bien-fonde; je ne suis pas sur nO:1 plus du contraire. Nean:noins, je tiel15 a faire remarquer que nOltS creerions peut-etre un precedent facheux. j'espere que ce que nOU5 jaisons ma:ntenan! - si DOUS continuons de la sorte - ne creera pas necessairemtnt un precedent pour l'avenir. M. MALIK CJnion des Republiques soeialistes soviCtiques) (t1'O.dllit d!t rllssf!) : A mon avis les craintes du rep:ese:ttant de l'Egypte ne sont pas

As there was evident misunderstanding in the minds of the representatives of the Ukrainian SSR and the USSR in reference to what'we had actually done in voting on paragraph 2, I permitted their explanations to be made. I think that is an act of courtesy to the two representatives in question which the Council would have wished to accord under the circumstances. However, it is desirable that we should adhere to our rules; namely, that, when we have taken a decision by a vote on a particular paragraph, the discussion should not be reopened. I hope that in the, future conduct of this debate members will abide by that rule. Mr. MALIK (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (tratlSlated from Russian): It is an established practice in the Council.that explanations of a vote can be given by representatives before and after the vote is taken. I assume that we are not going to violate this established practice. . The PRESIDENT: Paragraph 3 has been read down to and including the words, " and in particular, on the basis that". We shalt now vote on this part of the paragraph. A vote was taken by show of hands, as follows:' in fmlollt': Argentina, Canada, China, Cuba, Egypt, Norway, United Kingdom, United States of America. Abstaining: France, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The pari of Ihe paragraph was adopted by 8 'Votes to none, with 3 abstentions. .' Mr. KERNO (Assistant Secretary-General in charge of the Department of Legal Affairs): Sub-paragraph 3 (a) reads as follows: "The establishment of the interim federal Gov- ~rnment which is to be granted the powers of !nter~al g,?vernment in Indonesia during the mterlm penod before the transfer of sovereignty, shall be the result of the above negotiations and shall take place not later than 15 March 1949,", A vote was taken by show of handsl as follows: In favour: Argoentina, Canada, China, Cuba, Egypt, Norway, United Kingdom, United States of America. Abstaining: France, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist R,epublics. Le PRESIDENT (traduit de l'anglais): Etant donne que, de toute evidence, i1 y a eu un malehtendu dans l'esprit des representants de la RSS d'Ukraine et de l'URSS, quant au sens exact de notre vote sur le paragraphe 2, je leur ai permis de s'expliquer. Je ne vois la qu'un aete de cour~ toisie envers les deux representants en question et je suis certain que le Conseil m'approuvera sut ee point: Toutefois, it importe que nous nous en tenions a notre reglement interieur; c'est-a-dire que nous evitions de rouvrir la discussion apres avoir, par un vote, pris tine decision sur un paragraphe deter~ mine. J'espere que les membres du Conseil voudront bien s'en tenir a cette regie au cours des debats ulterieurs. M, MALIK (Union des Republiques socialistes sovietiques) (trad~it du russe): Conformement a l'usage qui s'est etabH au Conseil de securite, les explications de vote peuvent etre fournies avant aussi bien qu'apn!~s le scrutin. Je ne crois pasqu'il soit bon d'aller a l'encontre de cette pratique. Le PRESIDENT (trMuit de J'ringJeMs); Il a ete donne lecture du paragraphe 3 jusqu'a et y corn"" prig- "et en tenant compte notamment de ce que". Je mets maintenant cette partie du paragraphe aux voix. ll'est proeide au vole dmain levee. Volent pour:' Argentine, Canada, Chine, Cuba, Egypte, Norvege, Royaume-Uni, Etats-Unis d!Amerique. S'abstiennent: France, Republiqu·e socialiste sovietique d'Ukraine, Union des RepubHques socialistes sovietiques. Par 8 voi% contre zero, avee, 3 abstentions, cette partie du paragraphs est adoptee. . M. KERNO (Secretaire general adjoint charge du Departement juridique) (traduit de l'anglct1.s); Void le texte de l'alinea 3 G) ; "La conclusion des negociations susmention~ nees devra aboutir a la constitution du gouverne· ment federal provisoire, qui se vena conferer le pouvoir d'exercer la gestion des affaires natio· nales de l'Indonesie au cours de la periode transitoire precedant le transfert de souverainete et cela avant le 15 mars 1949 au plus -tard;" 11 est proeUe au vl}te d main levee. Volent pour: Argentine, Canada, Chine, Cuba, Egypte, Norvege, Royawne-Uni, Etats-Unis d'Amerique. S'abstiennent.' France, Republique socialiste sovietique d'Ukraine, Union des Republiques so~ dalistes sovietiques. ~e::;ian conslitllent assembly should be completed by 1 October 1.949 i" A vote u.'as taken bj' show of hands, as follows: In favour: Argentina, Canada, Otina, (uba, Egypt. Norway, United Kingdom, United S:ates of America. Abstai1~ing: Fra:1ce, Ukrainian So-viet Soc!alist Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Repuhlics. The s1~b-paraYl'dph 'U>aJ adopted by 8 volu to none. 'with 3 abstm#ons. Mr. KERNO (Assi5tant Secretary-General in charge of the Department of Legal Affairs): Sub'parngrnph 3 Cc) read.~:1.5 follows: "The transier of sovereignty over Indonesia by the Government of the Netherlands to the United States. of Indonesia shodd take place at the earliest possible d.1te a.nd in <1tIy case not later than 1 July 1950;" A vole 'Was taken by show of hands, as follow!: . In favour: Argemina, Canaca, China, Cuba, Egypt, Norway, United Kingdom, United States of America. Abstailting: France, Ukrabian Soviet Socialist Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The sub.paragraph was adopted by 8 .votes io none, wit!t 3 abstentions. Mr. KElmo (Assistant. Se'cretary·General in charge of the Depart:nent of Legal Affairs) :'The last part of paragraph 3 reads ~s follow; ; "Provided that if no agreement :s reached by one month prior to the respective dates rererred to in snb-12aragraph (a), (b), and (c) above, the CommIssion referred to in sub-paragraph 4 (a) below or such other United Nations agency as may be established in accordance with subparagraph 4 (c) below, shall iomediately report to the Securi,y Council with its recommendations for a solution of the difficulties;"