S/PV.418 Security Council

Before adjourning the meeting I shall call upon the representative of the Netherlands to make a short statement. Le PRESIDENT (traduit de l'espagnol) : Avant de lever la seance, je vais donner la parole au representant des Pays·Bas pour U:1e breve declaration. Mr. VAN RO!JEN (Netherlands): In the nTst pluce, 1 should like to thank the President for gtving me this opportunity to make these few remarks by way of explanation and clarification. M. VAN ROllEN (Pays·Bas) (traduit df' l'atlglais): Jevoudrais tout d'abord remercier le President de me permettre de fnire que!qtlCS remarql1es a titre d'eclaircissements et de pre~ cisions, Je repondrai en premier lieu aune question qui a ete p03ee au de0ut de la ·seance par :.\t.L Palar, representant de la Repl.lbliquc d'Illdonesie. M. Pa~ tar demande si le tra.nsfert de souverainete sera. reel, total et sans condition. Je fi'":rai, it la pro~ chaine seance, une plus longue declaration a ce sujet, mais je tiens a affinner des maintenant, de In fat;0n la plus nette, que, conformement a l'accord du Renvillc, ~e transfert de souverainete sera reel, total et sans condition. -D'autre part, divers orateurs ont fait allusion cet apres~rnidi aux. dirigeants politiques qui Se trouvcnt encore it. Bankll_. Certains des orateurs ont laisse entendre que les chefs politiques sont internes; d'autres ont meme fait allusion a une "ge6Ie", tout en se defendant d'employer re mot. le tiens a. declarer de fa(j-on tres c1aire que les dirigeants republicains qui se trouvent aBanka et a Prapat, ont recouvre toute leur liverle; ils ant l'autorisation de retoUfner a. Java ou a Sumatra, ou d'allf'r i l't~tranger s'ils le d~sirent. La seuIe restriction qui leur est imposee, c'est de ne. pas retourner a Djokjakarta, cette mesure leur est apliquee, toll'lnlC a taus les habitar:ts d'Inoonesie, pour des raisons d'ordre militaire.. I should like tirst of an to answer a question which was put by the Tepresentative of the Re- -public or Indonesia, Mr. Palar, earlier this afternoon. He asked whether the transfer of sovereignty would be real, cornplete and unc~:mditiona1. I should like to elaborate further on thts POint at our next meeting, but 1. should now like to state most emphatically that the transfer, according to the Renvt'lle Agreement, will be teal, complete and unconditional. Further, se....eral speakers here this afternoon hve referred to the political leaders who are still in Bangka. Some speakers have implied that they are interned there; others have even alluded to the word "gaol", though disclaiming the wish to l1se that word. I should like to make it very clear tha.t the Republican leaders on Bangka and in PTapat 11iL\'e been fully liberated. They are allowed to return to Java or Sumatra or to go abroad if they so wish. The only limitation im~ posed on them is with regard to their rctL~rn to logiakarla, and this limitation they share with other rE'sidellts of Indonesia in view of military restrictions. En conclusion, je voudrais dire que, desireux: de parvenir aun accord, mon Gouvernement m'a aute-rise a declarer qu'il est dispose a. accepter la proposition uu Canada, clans les termes et a1l}( nns qui ont ete precises l'autre jour par le general McNaughton. Cela signifie, je repHe les mots qu'a employes le representant du Canada, qu'il s'agit d'''aider les p<lrties a se mettre d'accord sur la datf' a laquelle la conference que l'on envisage de reunir a La Hare pDurrait a,'oir lieu et les conditions dans lesquelles elIe pourrait se tenir". Le Gouv<:rnc:tnent des Pays-Bas est dispose a prendre part it des discussions preHminaires sous les auspices de la Commission des Nations Unies pour l'Indonesie, toutes n~:;erve:; faites quant a la. resolution du Conseil de securite et quant ."lUX droits, revendications et positions des parties en cause. In conclusion, 1 should like to say that, in the interest of reaching an agreement, my Government has authorized me to declare that it is willing. to accept the Canadian proposal in the terms and with the objective formulated the other day by General McNaughton. This means, ann r quote his terminology, with a view to "... reaching an agreement betwi'":en the parties as to the time and conditions tlnder which the prop<Jsed conference at The Hague could be held". The Neth· erlands Government is prepared to take part in exploratOry discussions under the auspices of the United Nations Commission for Indonesia with. put prejudice to the resolution of the Security Council, and to the rights, claims. or positions of the parties. Pour condure, je partage I'espoir qu'a exprime le general McNaughton - et j'espere qu'il me permettra de tepetet ses paroles, en Son absence In conclusiun I should like to join General Mc- Naughton in e.,<pressing the hope-and] trust that although he is absent, he would not object to my quoting him, "... that through the means of the preliminary discussion . , , to be carried out under the auspices of our Commission in Indonesia, it will be possible to develop the Netherlanuj; proposals for a conference at The Hague into a practicable and acceptable procedure whereby there may be direct negotiation between the parties, and that this may lead to an early settlement of the problems in Indonesia". - <lql1e ces discussions preparatoires, souS: les auspices de notre Commission en Indonesie, peTmettront de hire de la proposition des Pays-Bas tendant a rcunk une conference a rA Haye, un moyen pratique et admissible de negociatiDns di.~ rectes entre les parties, ce qui pourra conduire cl un reglement rapide des probleme,s qui ,se posent en Indonesie". Mr. :YIALIK (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (trans!JJ.ted ft'om Rmskm): r should like to raise one question. The Council ~1as before it a proposal cnncerning the convocation of a preliminary_ conference between the representatives of H,e ~etherlands and the representatives of the Ir:donesian f(epubJic, without implementation having been g-iven to the Secl1Ti:y Council resolution of 28 Ja~uary 1949 <:oncerning the immediate and unconditional release of the representatives n; the Republic. Do not the authors of this pro· posal consider that such a conference would be like a conferente between prisoners and gaolers? I should like to have ::;QlUe dari6cation on this point.

I apologise to representatives who had asked to speak. I did nol grant their requests because it was so late, and I thought at the time that the representath'e of the Soviet Union was going to speak on the agenda of the next meeting, or to deal with a point of order. I again propose that we adjourn and hold our next mee'jng on 'Nednescay, 16 March, at 3 p,m. The meeting rose at 6.15 i·m. M, MALIK (Unian des RepubEques socialistes sovietiques) (traduit GU ru.ue) : Jr. voudrai.s poser une question, Le Conseil est saisi d'une proposition relative a la convoca:ion d'une conference preliminaire a IaquelIe par.ici?enient Les repre· sentants des Pays-Bas et de la Republique d'Indonesie, sa!l~ q:.l'il soit donne cffct Q.ux dispositions de la resolution du 28 janvie: 1949 qui exigent la remisf' en liberte immediate et sans conditio:l des re~resentants ie la Republique. Les auteurs de cette prc.position ne pensent-ils pas qu'une telle cO:lference ressemblerait aune etllrevue tlltre un ge6lier et ses prisonniers? Je voudrais ayo:r des prccisions a c:et eg'ard. Le PRE~rvENT (tradldt dtr l'csp.:JgMI): Je m'excL:se aupres des representants qui avaient demande la parole. Si je ne la leur avlUs pas actorclee <:'etait en raison de l'heure avancee, et j'ai eru' a l'instant que le representant de rUnion sovietique allait parler de l'ordre du jour uu ce de la prochaine reunion ou bien allait presenter une motion d'orore. ] e propose cl n?uve~u ~e lever la sea~ce et cc tenir notre prochamc rctinum le merered! 16 mars a 15 heures. La seance est levee d 18 h. 15.